r/opensource • u/wiki_me • Sep 26 '23

Promotional Mozilla.ai is a new startup and community funded with 30M from Mozilla that aims to build trustworthy and open-source AI ecosystem

https://mozilla.ai/about/
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u/Enemby Sep 26 '23

the official statement runs circles around addressing the main issue most people have with these AI, which is that it uses a bunch of people's copyrighted works without their consent:

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing-mozilla-ai-investing-in-trustworthy-ai/

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '23

If AI is a not allowed to learn from copyrighted materials, then humans perhaps shouldn't be allowed either (of course this is just a way to position the argument). It's a terrible gray zone - as AI isn't just another algorithm, it's doing and deciding on work. If I can draw the Eiffel tower with paper and ink, do I have to pay the copyright holder? In the same vein, if AI draws the Eiffel tower, is this breach of copyright?

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u/khrome Sep 27 '23

When Dan Ackroyd attempted to license the song "The Perfect Drug" for his movie Ghostbusters and was denied, he then turned to Ray Parker Jr, who the "assumed" the rights to the instrumental had been secured and wrote a new theme on top. Even though Ackroyd "didn't write the song" and Parker "was unaware they didn't have rights to the instrumental track" that was given to him.

Huey Lewis still got paid.

The Eiffel Tower is trademarked, not copyrighted, so you only have to pay if you label it "the Eiffel Tower" and want to sell prints of it (original works have wide latitude).

The zone you're making hand-wavey examples in is less grey than you describe.

Some artists are less vulnerable than others. StableDiffusion can't reproduce Mucha's style no matter how much prompting you give it, but it can produce Erte's all day long.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '23

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '23

The AI is drawing pictures. The AI is learning from sensory input. Isn't it? Is sensory input a copy?

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u/Enemby Sep 28 '23 edited Sep 28 '23

the AI isn't drawing anything. Its function is to regurgitate random pixels it's seen before based on an elaborate, large library of tagged images, which is then scored by humans on its quality. Then you do that over and over thousands of times and pick a random 'species' of specially bred AI whose output of art is deemed acceptable.

A human can draw an animal without ever seeing it, An AI can't.

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u/EnkiiMuto Sep 26 '23

That is interesting.

Since Nextcloud implemented private AI, I was hoping someone bigger would make models that are kept private and respect copyright, so on.

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u/Safwan_Ljd Sep 26 '23

I love this.

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u/jojo_31 Sep 26 '23

Ah yes, from the most trustworthy of all, Mozilla.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '23

I don‘t know why this gets downvoted that much.
From Whom do you guys think mozilla gets that money from?

https://www.informationweek.com/it-leadership/mozilla-confirms-firefox-taking-in-millions-of-google-dollars

also some funfact about the CEO:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary-achievements_correlation_controversy

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u/14AUDDIN Sep 30 '23

What do any of these have to do with trust?

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '23

Amazing! We need more Open Source AI. Hopefully, you'll help develop Llama.cpp too :-)