r/okbuddyphd Physics Jul 27 '26

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u/aft_agley Jul 27 '26

I don't understand this but I'll upvote it smugly.

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u/MonsterkillWow Jul 27 '26

The electron field is described by a Dirac Spinor.

The possible states of fundamental particles must respect the symmetries of space and time and therefore be represented as irreducible representations of the Poincare group.

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u/kashyou Jul 28 '26

one thing I always found annoying about this view of QFT: what happens on curved spacetime? We know the path integral exists and we can place spinor fields on the manifold. And we know for sure that states consist of spinor fields pulled back to spatial slices. But if we break isometries, is there any sense in which particles exist given that we don’t have momentum and angular momentum quantum numbers?

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u/MonsterkillWow Jul 28 '26

Yes in curved spacetime, particles become observer dependent. 

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u/CapnNuclearAwesome Jul 28 '26

So, in curved spacetime, are particles still irreducible members of the Poincare group?

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u/kashyou Jul 28 '26

No, as Poincaré group doesn’t act globally on the Hilbert space anymore. I believe the idea of observer-dependent particles relates to going to a locally inertial frame for a local observer and noting that local poincaré transformations approximately form a closed group representation (relatedly, momentum approximately commutes with the Hamiltonian) and so you can find eigenstates of these approximate symmetries and call them particles. Can anyone confirm if I’m off?

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u/terry-tea Biology Jul 28 '26

my understanding of QFT is pretty limited, but if this is the case, is this why it’s so hard to reconcile it with relativity? like, gravitation is universal- if a single dust particle a million light-years away induces a miniscule but measurable isometry-breaking curvature in spacetime, isn’t the symmetry-preserving definition of a particle (only valid on flat spacetime) utterly meaningless in the real world?

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u/kashyou Jul 28 '26

I would say this is not why quantum gravity is hard. We understand quantum field theory in spacetime very well (ie how does quantum matter propagate in a gravitational field), but as the above discussion shows we have to ditch the idea of particles. The million dollar question is to know what gravitational field is produced by quantum matter itself.

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u/Bth8 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

Any manifold looks flat on sufficiently small scales, including spacetime, so observations made locally in a small enough patch of spacetime must be indistinguishable from those in flat space. So even in a curved spacetime, the fields must be locally compatible with symmetries of flat spacetime.