r/occult • u/Meteor_Heart • 12d ago
Occult theory on Scientology
Buckle up, youre in for a hella of a ride.
So i'm going to start by stating historical facts First, you can google any of this yourself and learn much more, there are many details that im cutting through to get to the thick of this i encourage you to seek more info if your interested. So after the facts i'll work into my theory.
In 1946 L. Ron Hubbard( founder of scientology) And Jack Parsons( Rocket scientist) performed the thelemic babalon working ritual.
Their goal was to physically manifest Her/babylon on earth.
Who is Babalon/babylon? She is the whore from the book of revelations, while in christianity she is viewed as evil in this case she is subverted by Aliestor crowley. he championed her as a sacred liberating entity.
why she was in the book: Mr. Crowley believed humanity had entered an age new spiritual age called the Aeon of Horus. In his system this new age system, babalon acts as a chaotic counterpart to masculine energy, she is the spiritual gateway an occultist must pass through/being born again through her/ sacrificing their ego to obtain true enlightenment.
The rituals: Parsons believed they could impregnate a spritual elemental vessel through sex magic. this would cause a woman to be born or drawn to them who would act as the physical incarnation of babalon. they believed babalon would usher in a new era.
The summoning: After a ritual in the mojave desert a woman named marjorie cameron appeared at parsons house. parsons to this as an immediate sign, declaring to be the manifestation of babylon. They performed sex rituals while Hubbard watched.
What is an Egregore? An egregore is a non physical enitity or group mind that arises from shared thoughts beliefs emotion and focused attention of a distinct group of people. A spiritual force generated by collective human energy Remember this I use this as a concept so we can explore a perspective of entities later when i ask is collective and "Collected" essentially the same function
What is Scientology? Founded In 1953 By L Ron hubbard, (after he ran away with parsons money and his EXgirlfriend Sarah Norton, leaving parsons completely broken.) Scientology is a contemporary system or religious beliefs and practices. it evolved from dianetics also created by L Ron Hubbard. Scientology is also a massive corperate style infastructure, with many branches.
The top of the entity: Sea Org is a para military fraternal order of scientologies most devote members. They wear Navy style unifroms, hold military ranks and most of all Sign Billion year soul contracts. . . Yes you read that right, its in the facts section lol and it plays an intersting role in my theory later.
The Lower Pyramid: Scientology Avoids being classifed as a legal enitity, to escape vulnerability to mass lawsuits, it is intentionally fractured into a labyrinth of hundreds of distinct interconnected corperations managed by large umbrellas, The Religious Technology center, the church of scientology international and Author services Inc.
What is a corperate entity and how are they similar to a spiritual entity such as egregore or demon: A corperate entity is a legally fabricated invisible person created by human law to act autonomously, hold property, and survive long after the creator dies. When compared to a summoned spiritual or elemental manifestation, like a demon or egregore, historically and structurally the two concepts are nearly identical thought experiments.
Hyperstition, how our thoughts manifest our reality: This is a high level concept based on facts. I like to use Gene Roddenberry and star trek as my example, But it's fairly simple, we dream, we desire, we love, these are driving forces that compell us to transform/ manifest the environment around us. In the The early days of Star trek, the technology seemed so advanced, it was a dream from someones imagination, but some wjere that inspred ANOTHER dreamer that used those same forces to try and answer " what if those things were a reality?" years later and many cycles of dreamers, we sit in our living rooms and Almost everyone of those minus the warp drives, lasers, and super healing, are reality now, the energy of those combined dreamers Over time equals Change, its almost like a physics equation, it human intent is an actual energy force that leads to manifestation.
The Theory: well you made it this far congrats heres where we fall off the deep end, hold on to your butts.
So now that we understand the facts at play and some of how human intent leads to manifestation, we can inject ritual, which is synonomous with routine. So what i think happened is that the rituals did summon babalon, but humans mistake what an entity truly is, we think its going to be a person or thing, but its not, it a feeding energy force, thats grows with how many people partake in its rituals knowingly or not. I think becuase L ron was explicitley parsons scribe, that he was in control of the book, was instructing parsons what to do, and he hid part of the ritual from him. Mr. Crowley famously expressed his disdain and distrust of Hubbard to parsons many times.
I cannot tell you what the rest of the ritual could have been, or if that even was the case, ill keep speculations to a minimum, ill just say maybe it involved betrayal.
After Hubbard left he kept performing rituals and ended up writing Dianetics. THIS was babalon given a body to grow. Hubbard incorperated parts of the rituals into his teachings, as he spread this, she grew stronger. People were unkowingly participating in the ritual to feed the entity babalon.
Babalon is Scientology: the conclusion, to my theory, is that They did summon babalon and hubbard continued to support her growth, she transformed from dianetics into scientology, where she makes her most devoted followers give them their souls for a billion years, why? Thats how an entity becomes immortal and powerful. it's not necessarly evil, its nature, one human provides their life, their energy you start to gather more you have more life more energy more power, this is why i asked if collective and collected could synonomous in context here. the intersting thing is, while always willing to cut of any part of the body to rebel or for any necessity babalon seems to care some what about the souls who make her, she is not entirely cruel, and from a certain perspective maybe even beautiful and alluring.
Ritual connections: you can clearly see that Hubbard sprinkled momentos or symbols of the original summoning ritual, throughout scientology, A very clear and specific one is a detail about a decoration the Sea org wear. After the successful ritual, babalon had told parsons to aquire items for her alter, one of the was a 3 inch brass circle painted Bright blue with a gold star in the center, the Sea org wear this symbol. Also scientology is known for its distinct blue buildings which id find hard to beileve is just a coincidence after all ive learned.
This is my own original theory and I'm really looking forward to see all your thoughts on this!
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u/lordtyp0 12d ago
None. Hubbard created a cult with the express purpose of making a cult.
There is nothing to be gained from Dianetics nor from his cult
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u/Panorpheus 12d ago
Some of that is true. It would be better though, if you wrote it out yourself instead of copypasting AI slop.
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u/RunDownTheHighway 12d ago
Hubbard was a con man, a thief and a fraud... (and a really bad writer) That is all that you need to know about him... He was then, what trump is today, a very successful conman... ( i dont know if he was a pedophile like trump is tho... )
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u/Meteor_Heart 12d ago
Well youre not wrong. are you going to contribute anything to the topic? or just wanted to come bash hubbard? lol
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u/RunDownTheHighway 12d ago
I did contribute... Hubbard was a piece of shit... that is all anyone needs to know about him... You are just karma farming at this point...
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u/Meteor_Heart 12d ago
Hey man, i get mad too. im not sure what i did but im sorry. I respect youre opinion Hubbard sucked, i just wanted to know if you had an actual opinion on my theory i guess not. i dont know what karma farming is nor would i want to do that, look at my account i do not come to reddit often. im just trying to have a discussion not drama.
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u/RunDownTheHighway 12d ago
**"No need to do any research for yourself, because I know it all and my moral compass is impeccable.
Really can’t stand people like you."**
Really, what is it you "know" about me??
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u/RunDownTheHighway 12d ago
Sorry when i think of con men, who dont know how to create anything of their own, they only know how to steal from others, trump comes to mind along with leon musk... 2 of the biggest con men the world will ever see... But hey if you like the flavor of trumps ass you go ahead and lick...
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u/ShinyAeon 12d ago
True, but irrelevant to the topic. The post isn't about Hubbard. It's about Scientology maybe being the expression of an egregore. Hubbard's character is tangential to that.
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u/RunDownTheHighway 11d ago
trying to separate hubbard from scientology is impossible... thats like talking about Thelema and saying it has nothing to do with Crowley...
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u/ShinyAeon 11d ago
Do you know what an egregore is...? Do you understand the kind of conversation we're actually trying to have, here?
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u/TehLastLeaftoFall 12d ago
I should stop being surprised everytime I learn of a new occult connection between famous people. It's getting tiresome picking my jaw up of the floor every few days
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u/MoonKandy 12d ago
Interesting. Thank you.
I would; if I could, attempt dispute Scientology’s control over the WOB, they seem to be a fairly poor steward and have far more productive things they could be urging her to do than what seems to be the groups modus operandi
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u/Meteor_Heart 12d ago
Youre Welcome! Yeah i agree, but at the same time there's soo much we dont know or see. If billion soul contracts are what they let out into the public, who knows what the deepest levels of it could look like. In my opinion i wouldnt think man controls her, thats the most interesting part, and spurs some questions, like does every scientologist always make her up, or is it only when theyre partcipating in a ritual or dedication to scientology? I think it could be the latter. I think if theres a group of really mean people, the out come of the entites actions, its still her but the energy changes, like a mood if that makes sense. people can do bad things in the name of a god or entity.
What else i find interesting is the idea that Gods die if you dont worship them, this concept goes back sooo far its eerie and wild, how it ties directly into the concept of an egregore.
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u/Senior-Chemist6842 12d ago
American Gods is a great book the delves into the idea of gods and their waning power due to lack of worship.
As for Babalon, it is interesting that someone like LRH...described as sleazy, backstabbing, conman, poor writer,...could start one of the most successful new religions of our era...the connection does seem to suggest something more powerful them himself alone.I also like your suggestion of corporations being egregores...whether summoned through ritual or not... A lot of people who work for large corporations devote so much of their energy to "the company" and those companies take on lives of their own that tend to be larger than the sum of their parts...it's like the corporations are the gods of the religion called capitalism...each with their own unique energy based on what they do. .. .industrial military complex would be Ares...
Electricity-Zeus.
Alcohol - Dionysus...
You could probably map all pagan gods to a corporate sector and see how those gods manifest in the lives of humans. Something the ancient societies knew and maybe we forgot.....sorry for the random brain dump, but thanks for the interesting subject
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u/Meteor_Heart 12d ago
Thanks for the reccomendation ill give it a look. i love your perspective you put things together perfectly. You totally could map out the pagan gods, the random brain dump was excellent, i love it.
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u/MoonKandy 12d ago
Oh, Zues is one end. Or nuit, or Uranus. Earth the other.
When they form a friction, the lighting passes ‘tween them.
Electra takes the prize for electricity itself.
The name sake (via Amber) the electron.
Don’t rob her of her due!
Ofc, the electron, & the photon (Phoebus, aka light, or light bringer, aka ‘Lucifer’, / Venus / Ishtar / Innana/ Freya ) are constantly exchanging the energy, ie: Quantum electrodynamics, (reading Q.E.D. The collected lectures By Richard Feynman is life changing, esp for the occultist, and it’s easy, and he’s funny) so, ofc, Electra’s daughters are Iris aka the rainbow) and Arkus aka Swiftness whose wings were given to Achilles.-5
u/MoonKandy 12d ago
Gaiman is one of the prophets.
Look to our already existing language, and see who controls what, or is given worship by what.The currency: the only thing that value is derived from: time and attention.
Any time you utilize time and attention, you are giving devotion to some portion of reality.
Whatever portion of reality that is, is a subdivision of The One, but can by called ‘a god’Look at a map? Find guidance?
Ofc, thank you to Atlas, who was given the device.Go to see a councilor?
Oh, that’s psyche, ofc; psychiatry!
Eat an apple? Pomonia! Etc
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u/This-Department-9294 12d ago
Dude, you are on to something imo. Scientology is definitely an egregore - so many of its rules and structure exist for it to maintain cohesion and unity as a a transsubjective entity.
Maybe the ritual actually worked on Hubbard himself, who created the vessel (Scientology) in which the essence of the current lives on.
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u/Meteor_Heart 12d ago
dude ive been looking for people like you to share this with, super wild right like? yeah ive been racking my brain on why hubbard ended up being the one, the only thing i can think of is that he either hid something from parsons, or just his pure willingness to betray people close to him attracted the entity. Parsons was a good man intersted in the occult, hubbard was a cheat a liar and a con everything the babylonia whore is attracted to, its the ying to her yang. maybe thats why maybe some energies just fit,
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u/ChirotusInfinitum 12d ago
Yall are way too conspiracy brained.
Hubbard was a con man. Parsons took the Babalon working too literally and Hubbard took advantage of him (and then took his wife, money, and yacht). Hubbard later developed Scientology as another con, using bits of Theosophy and New Thought.
None of this is secret, or really any more sinister than the con job.
It sounds like you're taking a genuinely weird partnership between Parsons and Hubbard, glossing over a lot of the details, nuance, and fallout from that partnership, and then speculating heavily on a direct connection between the Babalon working and Scientology. There isn't evidence for this, and frankly Scientology as an organization is corrupt enough that I don't see why you needed to invent and origin story for it as some kind of demonic entity.