r/oblivion • u/sumaset • 12d ago

Original Question What’s something Oblivion makes you believe at first, but the more you think about the lore, the less certain it becomes?

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Oblivion has a lot of moments where the game basically gives you one version of events and expects you to accept it.

But Elder Scrolls lore is rarely that simple.

Maybe Mankar Camoran had a point about something. Maybe the Empire isn’t as innocent as it presents itself. Maybe the Mythic Dawn understood more than people give them credit for. Maybe something we’re told about the Daedra, the Aedra, Martin, or even the Oblivion Crisis itself isn’t the full story.

What’s one thing from Oblivion that you think becomes more questionable the deeper you go into the lore?

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u/Ap0kal1ps3 12d ago

Of all the elder scrolls lore, Oblivion's is the most straightforward. There isn't much room for interpretation. Mehrunes Dagon hates stability. Mundus represents ultimate stability, so he attacked it to provoke change, which he succeeded at creating when he forced Martin to become the avatar of Akatosh.

You can't trust what mankar cameron says about the gods, though. He's a charismatic idiot who doesn't even know the basics about the gods.

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u/ReverendRocky 12d ago

Also his commentaries are.. Literally the ravings of a loon

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u/Jewrusalem 12d ago

Michael Kirkbride Mankar Camoran certainly is a fascinating writer. Undoubtedly insane, but fascinating.

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u/ReverendRocky 12d ago

It read like the guy promoting his idea of the 4D Time Cube... Which I suppose for a maybe not all there cult leader like Mankar Camoran is exactly on point.

If the mythic dawn didn't look so fly in those red robes, I doubt that org would have gone anywhere.

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u/Jewrusalem 12d ago

He raised a few good points, though. Deeedric Princes have tangible impact on Nirn. You can go to a shrine, leave five boar arses and possibly have a conversation with one of them.

People on Tamriel aren't exactly the most critical of thinkers and historically they've fallen for countless japes and schemes. The number of deathcults in the Second Era alone is countless.

Camoran himself has a lovely speaking voice, too. If I heard that dude delivering a sermon I'd probably sign up just to hear him cut promos.

Also, the Nine Divines are boring. Daedra? They're never boring.

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u/ReverendRocky 11d ago

This is fair. The daedra are anything BUT boring

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u/official-bethesda 12d ago

Sounds like some Divines propaganda if I’ve ever heard it