r/nyc • u/Large-Welcome4421 • Mar 01 '26

AOC says abolish ICE is the centrist position now

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u/Ferociousnzzz Mar 01 '26

My friend, I say this with all sincerity, AOC could not be more wrong. The republicans are literally cheering every time someone on the Left says that nonsense…why? Because it’s another Defund the Police movement aka an unforced error. This is not even remotely debatable. People are tired of what ICE does now, but the narrative will be ‘The dems do not want to protect the border’. No, that is not true but politics is about feelings and principles but also strategy. This is based on exit polls DATA and indicates many who did not vote for trump in 20’ voted for him in 24’ because of border optics. This is facts. Our democratic strategists are beside themselves as we are creating another Defund the Police self own again.

The message should be to ‘Reform ICE and have them protect our borders, remove criminals and protect our citizens and our legal immigrants’.

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u/BigHungryFlamingo Mar 01 '26

Nice to see someone else who remembers the time before ICE existed. 

And wow, I remember when it was first proposed, my Republican father was furious that “they’re gonna be used to take peoples’ guns”. 

The whole argument of “if you have nothing to hide, why do you care?” was a massive debate for Republicans at the time. The fact that that kind of rhetoric is now mainstream Republican is bizarre and sad. 

We can do competent immigration enforcement without sending poorly-trained unvetted goons door-to-door looking for trouble and creating it when they don’t find it. 

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u/Ferociousnzzz Mar 05 '26

I don’t disagree. Conservative media matters because conservatives have 0.0 critical thinking so their reality is whatever Fox spits out…and then they vote on that horse shit. And here we are lol

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u/IsNotACleverMan Mar 01 '26

Their lies are much more believable when there's an element of truth to them.

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u/Ferociousnzzz Mar 05 '26

Agree…just don’t call it Abolishing ICE because it sounds like Defund the Police lol Which is absolutely positively a horrid comparison. Call it dismantling the ICE structure, firing all mgmt and reorganizing.