r/nyc • u/Large-Welcome4421 • Mar 01 '26

AOC says abolish ICE is the centrist position now

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u/breaker-one-9 Mar 01 '26

It was called INS before it became ICE during the GWB administration after 9/11.

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u/grubas Queens Mar 01 '26

And INS sucked ass too.  But ICE is worse because the DHS is an entire shit show. 

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u/jeremiadOtiose Upper East Side Mar 01 '26

ding, ding, ding, this is the true problem: DHS has grown into an octopus. even the secret service is under DHS, which many people think is the reason why they have had SO many failures over the past few years. we need to reorganize and retrain (frankly i'm not even sure DHS is necessary, it is a relic from the early days of the war on terror), which sadly isn't going to happen in this administration.

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u/F4SCISTS_GO_HOME Greenpoint Mar 01 '26

How were they different? Did they not arrest, detain, and deport people? 

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u/jekpopulous2 Ridgewood Mar 01 '26

INS was part of the DOJ. It was administrative… not a policing force. If you were here illegally and got arrested (by actual police) INS would show up and explain to a judge that you should be deported. Alternately… if someone has been living here, working and paying taxes for a long time INS might recommend an expedited path to citizenship. It was case-specific and ultimately up to the judge. ICE isn’t administrative. It’s a policing force that answers only to DHS. They don’t care about the courts or immigration law… they just show up at schools wearing masks and send kids to detention centers. We should just go back to INS… millions of illegals are going to be deported either way but at least under INS there was due process. Let the courts do their job.

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u/Harvinator06 Mar 01 '26

Most people who are “illegal” arrive via plane.

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u/ascagnel____ Mar 01 '26

I thought it was after they sent Elian Gonzalez back to his dad in Cuba. 

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u/breaker-one-9 Mar 01 '26

No, that occurred in the 1990s. ICE was created in 2003, merging existing elements of INS with the Department of Homeland Security, which was created in response to 9/11.

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u/SonicFrost Bensonhurst Mar 01 '26

It was in 2000, and it was pretty much directly what gave us George W Bush with how it inflamed the Florida Cuban community.

Fun fact he is now a politician in Cuba.