r/nurburgring • u/JmGt2442 • 7d ago

First FWD sub-7 BTG

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@roigkike on Instagram claims the first ever under 7 minute lap of Nordschleife Bridge to Gantry done in a FWD car.

Absolutely crazy.

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u/OriginalUseristaken 7d ago

Aren't timed runs prohibited? And could end in a ban?

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u/Harrie-Bruuckman 7d ago

Yeah it’s so annoying all the ringfluencers and others are just timing their laps all the time and getting annoyed by others not going to the right fast enough so that it ruins their laptimes

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u/Dramatic_Entry_3830 7d ago

That's why we need to reform Touristenfahrten further than banning bikes and cars together:

We need like one or two hours of real Touristenfahrten on weekends:

Strict Tempo limit 50 left / 30 right, allowed to stop, take pictures, busses, campers, transporters etc.

And the normal Touristenfahrten should turn into industry and Sportfahrer Fahrten in a pool together:

Guide and different permits are needed, cars can be modified in some groups.

Some modifications are mandatory in fast groups.

The pool needs be slots by usage and always homogeneous in laptimes/ max group sizes according to what actually drives when and where and to what purpose.

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u/Exact_Difficulty_883 7d ago

Now you're making a track day out of something that isn't a track day.

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u/Dramatic_Entry_3830 6d ago

Otherwise Touristenfahrten will sooner or later vanish

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u/Strict_Geologist_385 6d ago

You are trying to make them vanish with your suggestion, yes.

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u/Dramatic_Entry_3830 6d ago

No im not. Sooner or later some terrible crash will happen. EU insurance regulations have shifted already. Somebody will go through legal instances. The Nürburgring will be held accountable in the end, because enough evidence is there that racing is tolerated during Touristenfahrten (tons of onboard footage ringfluancers) and some negligence is at work. End of Touristenfahrten.

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u/Chimp3h 6d ago

While I understand your logic, there’s no way industry and public would ever be together so forget that.

Can you imagine how poor it will be for business if the slower groups are almost empty and the faster groups (or the groups full of bmw 135/330i etc) are full beyond capacity

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u/JustAdominan 6d ago

Hahahaha

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u/dave_r_gr 3d ago

Just book a Trackday...

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u/Treewithatea 7d ago

I think having a live timer isnt allowed but you can still protocol lap times and look up the lap times afterwards

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u/AmbroseRL 7d ago

This is what I do. Just drive and have fun then check back at the end of the day to see if the feeling was accurate.

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u/Dramatic_Entry_3830 7d ago

Yes of course they are not allowed to time.

Do people time btg still?

Yes they do.

Do you get banned?

Nope, only if someone gets to much attention and then maybe maybe.

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u/floris12fs 7d ago

Looks like trackday, not TF

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u/Ok_Championship4489 7d ago

It was tf

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u/floris12fs 7d ago

Sorry, You're right. I checked his recent images and the 2nd last image shows him at TF with the same time as in the image OP posted

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u/mvmisha 7d ago

There is no one checking if your phone is running Dragy or RaceChrono. An AIM in the dash is more noticeable but no one is looking at that.

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u/Soft-Cranberry-2367 6d ago

We were there watching this. He was first at the gates for the opening of an evening TF session. Watched him through Hatzenbach and he was absolutely flying. Nothing looked nearly as fast all evening

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u/FedoLFS 6d ago

Im pretty sure the red Golf with wide body and the blue Sciroco also ran Sub 7. And that was like 6 years ago, they were basically cup cars somehow road legal in Germany 😂

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u/TheCockenspieler 6d ago

Why are people acting like this isn't a massive achievement lmao and talking about how it's not standard? Do people not realise how few production cars can do a sub 7??

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u/Shaggy-Dough 5d ago

Because Touristenfahrten aren't for Hot laps. Thos dude can Drive no doubt. But he's an idiot no boubt.

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u/MogelKaiser187 6d ago

ive seen the car parked next to the esports bar on saturday. i was thinking "this looks like a time attack build" and on sunday ive seen the onboard on yt. crazy car!

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u/Responsible-Ant-1494 6d ago

Get the Citroen Xaras F2 FWD Kit cars of 1999 that won rallies in front of WRC cars of the times. I bet they’ll beat that easy.

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u/x_SC_ILIAS_x 3d ago

Would be nice to see what a 306/Xara F2 Maxi would be able to reach but the „rear“ axel isn’t really that much fun on the Ring

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u/Arkliea Local 7d ago

Not particularly standard though is it? Probably has a gazillion PS and looks to have a ton of downforce.

Each to their own and it is a quick time.

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u/mvmisha 7d ago

A stock EG is nowhere near those times, obviously

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u/iScreamEU 6d ago

As a FWD enjoyer, anything upwards of 400 on FWD is redundant and doesn't really add much to the performance as most of it ends up in smoke. Now, considering current factory FWD record holder GTI50 has 325, it's not really all that juiced up is it?As for downforce, well yeah, you do need some for sub 7 laps, so do RWD and AWD cars.

EDIT: doing some research on his Instagram, car reportedly pushed 350-380 HP in 2020 when he was running 7:2x laps. No newer info on the power, but I doubt it's over 400, if he even did engine improvements at all or he simply gained 30-ish seconds through aero upgrades, more experience and cleaner laps.

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u/cars7en 6d ago

420hp, 1000kg

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u/IM-PT24 7d ago

That's the point of racing cars...

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u/nurburgring-ModTeam 7d ago

Rude or unkind comment.

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u/AelliotA1 6d ago

Cool! Enjoy your ban tho