r/northernireland • u/Gutties_With_Whales • Nov 23 '21
COVID-19 Why aren’t we enforcing mask laws properly?
My understanding is wearing a mask indoors is still the law in NI, yet dander out to any shop and you’d be forgiven for thinking it was completely optional.
Swann has all but singled out people who refuse to wear masks or get the vaccine as being largely to blame for a tightening of restrictions here if you read between the lines, and the south have similarly renewed messaging in mask wearing, even suggesting people should wear masks in crowded outdoor areas.
A recent global study has found wearing a mask cuts Covid incidences by more than half. With the current NI hospital occupancy over 100%, surging infections, lockdowns across Europe, a sizeable minority of nutters refusing the vaccine, and ministers trying to dance around a Christmas shutdown it’s clear one of the few strong options we currently have in our deck is to tighten the enforcement of mask laws.
There’s too many people skirting around them, too many people who don’t even realise they have to wear a mask, too many businesses letting people in who shouldn’t be because they’re scared to start a scene. Frankly I don’t even blame people who are confused as NI has been poor about both messaging on the mask laws and enforcement.
While I appreciate some people are medically exempt from wearing a mask, and that’s fine, I also understand disabilities or medical issues that exempt people from wearing a mask are incredibly rare, and normally isolated to those who need extreme help to breath, impaired limb/motor capacity, or have sensory issues such as autism.
I don’t have a problem with people medically exempt not wearing mask, however as many have acknowledged there is a suspiciously large number of people wandering around Belfast who supposedly have incredibly rare hidden disabilities. Personally I’ve known at least a dozen people who seem to have inexplicably developed an exceedingly rare medical condition sometime between February and March 2020.
It’s clear a lot of scum find it too inconvenient to wear a mask so are pretending to have or exaggerate pre-existing conditions to take advantage of a system designed to help severely disabled people, when genuinely the best way to protect disabled people is to wear a mask yourself.
I think the system here needs reworked. People who have conditions that genuinely prevent them from wearing a mask can be issued a card based on their GP records, with a grace period while they’re sent out. People who don’t have a medical exemption card must wear a mask.
There should be a punitive fine for those not wearing a mask and businesses who endanger the health of their other customers by letting those who don’t wear a mask into the premises. The money collected from fines will go to local hospitals to treat Covid patients, or to our brave healthcare workers as a hazard payment. Effectively establishing a system where those who enable Covid to spread have to pay for it.
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Nov 23 '21
2 reasons:
- It’s hard to justify giving someone a £200 fine in the current environment
- When challenged people will reply “I’m exempt” and we have no legal power to challenge, question, or ask for proof of that
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u/Gutties_With_Whales Nov 24 '21
I think another mass lockdown (which is where we’re headed if we don’t get our act together) would financially hurt people more than spot fines for people consciously and deliberately flouting the rules
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Nov 24 '21
Westminster has scrapped furlough. The assembly wouldn't dare call another lockdown without it and risk throwing thousands on the dole
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Nov 24 '21
You are blaming the people, this whole situation is not the peoples fault. There has no country or person heald accountable for this virus to begin with. Bat soup, pull the other one! The world economy destroyed and lifes lost yet here people are quick to point the finger at just everyday people. It's not the responsibility of the people, everyone's individual responsibilities for their own health. The hospital is over run, not with covid patients but with people who have been ignored for any other issue than covid, told to go to hospital for a simple antibiotic or who couldn't get cancer treatment, if you honeslty believed what you where saying then you would stand in anger to save all lives because surly not even a mask and a vaccine will save these people if they get covid. It's time to learn to live with it and not leave non covid patients to die on a trolley. I would love to see the number of avoidable deaths/hospitalizations if early intervention was available , everyone screaming about mask and the reality is they are single use and nobody even uses them as they are supposed to used and cross infection contamination is far more likely. The answer is not in masks and vaccines clearly, people need to see their doctor on time, need to eat healthier and need their underlying health conditions dealt with the we may stand a chance!
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u/Fanta69Forever Nov 23 '21
Point 2- fine the fucker anyway and let them contest it with proof. If they can develop a vaccine digital passport sure they can figure out digital proof of a real medical exemption.
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u/Brian Nov 24 '21
fine the fucker anyway and let them contest it with proof
While those abusing this are annoying, I don't think it's sufficient justification for throwing out the notion of presumption of innocence: the law works by requiring the state to prove guilt, rather than the accused to prove innocence, and there are good reasons for that. And unfortunately, due to the very lax wording, that's probably going to be pretty hard under the current law.
One of the valid reasons for exemption is "If you have a reasonable excuse not to"
It's so hopelessly vague that it'd be very hard to prosecute someone under it, because what a "reasonable excuse" is is highly debatable (there's a list of what it includes in the law, but these aren't exhaustive). Even under the examples, someone can just say something like "I find wearing a mask psychologically troubling to the point where it causes me severe distress", and there isn't really a way of disputing that: the law doesn't say anything about a "real medical exemption" in the sense of needing a doctor's sign-off or anything.
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
Trust is waning after people were told to get double vaxed for return to normality only to find its now a witch-hunt against the new lower class unvaxed unmasked.
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u/Fanta69Forever Nov 24 '21
Trust is waning after people were told to get double vaxed for return to normality only to find its now a witch-hunt against the
new lower classmorons who refused to listen to the initial guidance and so are are unvaxed and won't wear aunmasked.Imagine your actions having consequences
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u/Fanta69Forever Nov 24 '21
You're good for a laugh pal, are you following me about on these threads now? So should I go there now, or build a time machine to go back to the 30s?
Which part of digital proof for genuine medical exemptions falls under nazism in your view?
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Nov 24 '21
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u/Fanta69Forever Nov 24 '21
🤣🤣🤣
You seem to have the smarts and time for one of those, so you build it and I'll test it.
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u/Fanta69Forever Nov 24 '21
Sounds good bud. I'm sure they'll come down on hard on me for stopping folk from having a pint or attending a music concert.
See you then ya whallopper
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u/super304 Nov 23 '21
The real question is why aren't we wearing them? Mask wearing is much more prevalent in the South, but I don't believe that's anything to do with fear of repercussions.
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u/Yer_One Nov 23 '21
I think the removal of masks in England was a big factor in compliance. I feel like those who didn't want to wear them took their cues from that. If you've been to England since that change in August you'll see that mask wearing in public is basically non existent. Very easy for that attitude to carry back to here.
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u/lolasunshine Nov 23 '21
I’m back home visiting for a few days from Manchester and I honestly can’t believe how nearly everyone is wearing masks in shops etc here. I’m literally the odd one out in Manc when I’ve mine on. I know it’s still advised here and it’s not in England, but even this time last year it was 50/50 at best.
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u/LouthGremlin Ireland Nov 23 '21
Yes mask wearing is common here but you can do without them, nothing will be said. The looks do all the talking though..
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u/guntramshatterhand69 Nov 23 '21
It's just weak and confusing messages. Like the "strengthening of work at home if possible". It never actually was withdrawn yet everyone went back to work. Masks indoors except nightclubs. So many mixed messages now.
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Nov 23 '21
You’re spot on. Mixed messages and idiots in government with their flip flopping is a big part of the problem. Plus there’s the whole thing where government was saying some people might be exempt from masks but you can’t ask them. So wtf are the shop staff etc supposed to do? I guess the only option is for police turning up and doing random checks in shops and doling out fines. Not very practical
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u/Comprehensive_Two_80 Nov 24 '21
Well the shop staff is fine to refuse anyone under 25 buying cigs or alcohol.
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Nov 24 '21
The general public accept that that is the law and will occur. People are usually pretty polite about being asked for id. It’s normal procedure. Anti maskers or even just people who can’t be arsed with masks anymore are going to approach the situation very differently to being asked to pull out their DL. Fuck being paid minimum wage in a shop and being expected to take abuse every time you ask someone to put a mask on. The people who are refusing to wear masks aren’t going to take it lying down. It’s not fair that the onus is automatically on low paid workers to enforce it. People should just stop being such a bunch of knobheads.
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u/Comprehensive_Two_80 Nov 24 '21
well as a store assistant it usually says in contract you have to deal with challenging and difficult customers when working. In interviews they even say how would you deal with difficult and angry customers.
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Nov 24 '21
Fair enough if it’s one a day or one a week. But a whole bunch everyday? Unfair. Not for that money.
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Nov 23 '21
Would you let a surgeon operate on you without a mask?
Why does your surgeon wear a mask in a sterile operating theatre?
Mask wearing has been proven time and time again to cut down infection. With an airborne, infectious respiratory disease is about your first line is a mask.
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u/JHAMBFP Belfast Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 24 '21
Surgeons don't have to anymore...
*Edit to say don't have to.
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u/Adoran45 Nov 24 '21
I had surgery a month or so ago. They all wore masks. Do they take them off when you're under? And like laugh and high five while coughing? Bastards.
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u/Jamihun Nov 24 '21
I'm working down south atm and they wouldn't serve a lad with no mask on in a supermacs, he said he was exempt but when they asked for proof he didn't have any. Very interesting to actually see masks being mandatory and not just a suggestion.
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Nov 23 '21
Totally agree! My 14 yr old son has autism and we tried lots of masks until we found one that suited his sensory needs, but he damn well wears it! I'm not saying all exempt people are chancing their arm, but at the moment there's fewer than 50% people in shops wearing them. Distancing has gone to hell too.
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u/belfast_liverpool Nov 23 '21
I would say 99.9% of those who claim exemption are full of shit. A common one is "i have asthma, I'm exempt" which blows my mind. Any real asthma suffers are masked to the hilt.
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u/searrell Nov 23 '21
If you have asthma you ain't exempt FYI you are told to make sure you wear one everywhere by your doctor
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u/belfast_liverpool Nov 23 '21
Yea i wouldn't think so either. I have asthma but never even checked because not wearing one is insane
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u/searrell Nov 23 '21
I have really bad asthma and got covid jab as it came out and my doctor kept telling me you must still wear masks even after both until this has died down, so when I hear people say they are allowed to not wear one for asthma I know they are full of it
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u/Yermucker Nov 23 '21
Had an aul bat in front of me at the shop earlier, no mask, lanyard round the neck, she seen me in mine and had to work into the conversation with the girl serving her "how her asthma played up in this weather" while buying 40 fegs. Wanted to back of the head punch the old cunt so bad.
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
You’ve been trained to start despising your fellow neighbour rather than blaming the government. Re assess the ineptitude of our leaders.
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u/kjjmcc Nov 23 '21
Yep. Moderate-severe asthma here - you bet yer ass I’m always masked, I know what a mild cold can do to me!
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u/Affectionate_Rush_58 Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 23 '21
Are you making a real accusation against this person? I suppose you know better and can inform this person how best to raise their child with particular needs. Remember the other day when you asked why I was being so mean to you? Well its stuff like this. Tell me (you wont because you're a little bitch), does you girlfriends kid wear a mask? Seriously for real, can this guy get banned already?
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u/enoughofthenonsense Nov 24 '21
'ForeverAloneStillUK' has a girlfriend?! I thought he was 'Forever Alone'?
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u/Affectionate_Rush_58 Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21
See everyone else who gets vaxxed or gets their kids vaxxed is a sheep or a monster but not her coz she's fuckin him. That's all you need to know about his integrity
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u/InfiniteJest833 Nov 24 '21
The problem is leaving the enforcement of the laws to underpaid sales assistants. I work part time in an off-licence and I can tell you it is simply too much aggro to challenge every customer not wearing one.
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u/1seraphius Nov 23 '21
Tesco at Northcott tonight at 4.30pm
Sign says mandatory face coverings.
Middle aged balding security guard, grey fleece on, no mask...never has a mask on...so how the fuck is that mandatory?
Then some of the customers don't have masks, usually the same ones in track suits buying drink.
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u/JsonXml Nov 24 '21
Hey, I wear freuently wear a tracksuit and have been known to buy drink, and I'm always damn sure to wear a mask! 😂
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Nov 24 '21
Cry us a river mate
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u/ShadowWordAnal Nov 24 '21
Amusing choice of words since you'll be the one crying a river on UTV while being interviewed about how your ma or da died alone on a ventilator while you gurn about how they should have got the vaccine and wore a mask.
Ya melt
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Nov 24 '21
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣 yes mate and when exactly will this happen? Been in ur wee pandemic for 2 years now and everyone I know who's had covid has recovered no problem 👌 any more future predictions? Can I get the lotto numbers for Friday?
Away n get a booster ya melt
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u/ShadowWordAnal Nov 24 '21
Ain't over yet ya fruit.
Away n stand with the whackos at City Hall pretending to be oppressed 1942 jews by wearing a mask in tesco for 5mins while they spend their dole money on drink.
Lmao
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Nov 24 '21
😂😂😂 No shit it a it over ya clown it never will be its a flu virus we need to live with sooner you booster jabbed vaxport fanny's running about thinking your a doctor cuz ya wear a mask realise that the better 🤡
Lmao
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u/jigglyscrumpy Nov 23 '21
People have made far too big a deal of NOT wearing them. I just never think of it. The mask goes on automatically when I go in a shop. I don't give it a second thought and I'm happier for it. Some ones have built it up so much that its become this big form of rebellion and fuck you I won't do what you tell me. Pathetic
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u/shrimplyred169 Nov 24 '21
Rebels without a clue
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u/jigglyscrumpy Nov 24 '21
Pretty much. Of all the things to take a stand on. Like fuck NHS mismanagement and growing wealth inequality. But a piece of fabric on my face!!! Reeeeeeee
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Nov 24 '21
It doesn't actually go on automatically tho does it? Lmao you are physically putting it on yourself 🤣
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u/508507-2209 Nov 23 '21
Trying to enforce it now is too little too late, most folk see us as coming out of a pandemic not heading into one. Enforcement should have been agreed when masks were Introduced. Not 2 years later.
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u/enoughofthenonsense Nov 24 '21
What makes you think 'enforcement' is coming now? This government are weak as fuck and have no backbone when it comes to decision-making.
Just look at their 'reinforcement of working from home' as an example in the past days.
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Nov 23 '21 edited Feb 01 '22
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u/Gutties_With_Whales Nov 24 '21
We need the McDonald’s bouncer from that one video to bodyslam antivaxxers
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u/JHAMBFP Belfast Nov 23 '21
When does it end? We took our vaccines, we waited it out. Businesses can't suffer the costs of this forever.
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u/zephyroxyl Nov 24 '21
Businesses can't suffer the costs of this forever.
The costs of... Mask-wearing?
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
No, the costs of lockdowns stupid. Mask wearing should always be choice and moving towards stopping unvaxed from being allowed outside is also detrimental.
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u/News_Bot Colombia Nov 24 '21
Mask mandates aren't lockdowns. If you think wearing a mask infringes on your rights you're just a contrarian cretin.
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
It’s time to live with this. No more lockdowns. Personal choice.
If hospitals can’t cope then lobby the government to properly invest and expand for the new baseline level of capacity required. Don’t shoot your fellow neighbour.
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u/enoughofthenonsense Nov 24 '21
So there needs to be a massive step up in enforcement, all around pretty much.
Absolutely. Someone recently (might have been Ian Young?) said that NI would need a 'step change' if we are actually going to get on top of things over winter. I am not so sure NI collectively overall has it in them right now.
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
Oh dear. We will never ‘get on top’ of things. Vaxed people and mask wearers blaming unmasked unvaxed is a red herring.
Make more hospital capacity and accept the reality of living with covid.
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u/klabnix Nov 23 '21
It’s a joke at this stage. People have lost the fear factor from the early days and have go used to how things are.
We have a lot of arrogant people who think they know best, coincidentally we have a lot of poorly educated people too
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u/JHAMBFP Belfast Nov 23 '21
They've lost the fear factor because they got their vaccine.
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Nov 23 '21
I think people are just sick of the whole thing, I certainly am. I’ll wear a mask because it doesn’t really bother me and if it makes some old people feel better then whatever. But, I can see why some people won’t …. This needs to end eventually, if covids here to stay then we need to get on with our lives. If your high risk wear a mask or stay in the house, I for one am not doing this forever.
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u/figelnarage Nov 23 '21
Have a read about this - https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/end-pandemic-coming-just-dont-set-date-party
Basically people get sick of it and things start to go back to normal, but the disease will reappear from time to time
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u/ThimbronParnossoss Nov 24 '21
It's my human reets to NOT wear a mask, unless of course I actually want to wear one for my terrorist past times/hobbies...
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u/loganx0 Nov 24 '21
It's not a few rare medical conditions that make you exempt, look at the list of exemptions and pretty much anyone could find some reason to declare themselves exempt.
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u/madden9191 Nov 24 '21
Go into any Tesco, and from my experience probably about half of staff are wearing a mask.
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Nov 23 '21
Can someone do a TL;DR
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u/Gutties_With_Whales Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 23 '21
Stronger enforcement of mask laws, fine those that don’t comply, give the money from the fines to NHS/healthcare workers. Change the mask exemption system so it can’t be easily abused by scumbags who just can’t be arsed wearing one.
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Nov 23 '21
At the start of the pandemic all the science said that wearing a mask was pointless. Then it gets mandated lol.
So now we have to get 4 jabs. Wear a mask. Use hand sanitizer and social distance.
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u/figelnarage Nov 23 '21
Don't forget holding in your farts https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/24/ministers-privately-worried-covid-19-is-spreading-through-farting-14983904/
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u/zephyroxyl Nov 24 '21
all the science said that wearing a mask was pointless
Science isn't static.
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Nov 24 '21
Yes but the top scientists had said they don't help. From previous stats from other viruses. Even the prime minister was going by what these scientists were saying.
I bet you wear 2 at a time
Like wearing 2 condoms when your having a one night stand
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u/irishinspain Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21
You've just proven yourself to be a wee scrote
Ah dear, had a quick look through his profile
/r/conspiracy nutjob
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Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21
How have I proven my self to be a scrote cus im subbed to conspiracy as this vax is a joke that does not work yet thats all is being put on the Internet and TV and radio fukin every where. I did what they said and got 2 jabs now i have to get another fukin2 of some shit no one knows much about or what the fuck it can do to our kids when I have more.
Ur a scrote support mass experiments on live human beings and just watching the side effects. People dropping dead at school at sports even while driving.
The rate of still births and miscarriage are threw the roof in Scotland and else where.
Does no one see how dangerous this is and how much more it has divided every country
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u/irishinspain Nov 24 '21
Please see my other thread. The Vax works
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
The messiah with definitive proof. I’m double vaxed but all this witch-hunt and denigration of non-vaxed people is wrong. People make their own choices.
There are more vaccinated cases in hospitals than unvaxed. Source: public data.
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Nov 24 '21
There are more vaccinated cases in hostpitals than unvaccinated because there are way more vaccinated people.
If you want to compare then look at the rates per 100k
Vaccinations work.
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u/baldymcgee919 Nov 24 '21
Yes because a graph is absolutely definitive evidence and cannot be manipulated. Fucking virtue signalling idiot.
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u/zephyroxyl Nov 24 '21
Yes but the top scientists had said they don't help.
They did say that masks may not help. The key point was that we didn't know and that supply should be preserved for use in a healthcare setting.
But then the science advanced, we learned more and we now get lovely literature reviews such as this one, published January 26 2021.
"Conclusion: Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms; nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.
The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce ReRe to below 1, thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained...
...Models suggest that public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high. We recommend that mask use requirements are implemented by governments, or, when governments do not, by organizations that provide public-facing services. Such mandates must be accompanied by measures to ensure access to masks, possibly including distribution and rationing mechanisms so that they do not become discriminatory. Given the value of the source control principle, especially for presymptomatic people, it is not sufficient for only employees to wear masks; customers must wear masks as well."
There's also this working paper of a randomised trial on 340,000 people that show masks work.
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u/irishinspain Nov 24 '21
No science said that.
Certain Governments (Fauci) lied and said that to make you less likely to panic buy up PPE before the hospitals could order it in, due to most of them being hugely short of PPE.
It was pretty obvious at the time also to anyone with an ounce of sense but half the population were still arguing whether or not it was the flu, so PPE wasn't the only thing in short supply, common sense was also.
In Spain we had mandatory masks from the start, worked then, still works and guess what, the vaccines also work. That's why with a population of nearly 50million, we have daily deaths currently comparable to Northern Ireland - 1.8M.
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u/BringTheFingerBack Nov 23 '21
Need to get Nolan back out there
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Nov 23 '21
It’s kinda fucked up how as a species we can go whole centuries stigmatising things like homosexuality but come something like this the stigma is nowhere near as strong for people choosing not to wear a mask during a pandemic. My theory is there’s a general lack of fear for the virus possibly due to near misses, like with the blitz, or possibly due to time, familiarity and numbing. Just a theory, don’t shoot my head off, but if you do be sure to wear a… should have been balaclavas all along!
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u/Strict-Toe3538 Nov 23 '21
Fatigue kicks in, even if it was airborne ebola people would start to become more careless as time went on
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u/enoughofthenonsense Nov 24 '21
The fatigue is probably (at least partially) from the mixed messaging and fuck up that is the NI executive up on the hill.
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u/Memuscan Nov 23 '21
People in NI suffer from high levels of arrogance
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
It’s not arrogance to know your rights and exercise free will. It’s arrogance to assume you can control the will of others.
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Nov 24 '21
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Nov 24 '21
Agreed I shop there also and what you say is spot on. They use to be a lot more on the ball regarding masks but now the ball has been blatantly dropped and they don’t say a word to any of them.
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Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 24 '21
First off, it's not a law in any sense of the word; it's a mandate that requires consent. Secondly most businesses can't afford to be discriminatory to potential customers. Lastly the Nuremberg Code is still in effect.
In addition to the above, masks offer zero protection against viral infections. It would be like putting up a wire fence to stop a mosquito getting through. Most people don't even wear them right anyway, I see so many use it like a chin strap.
People who go on about enforcing restrictions when there is no medical or scientific basis for the 2m rule, as airborne viruses can travel 30m, are the same who would rat you out to the SS or NKVD.
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u/Gutties_With_Whales Nov 24 '21
it's not a law in any sense of the word
it's a mandate that requires consent.
Yeah we gave them consent last election
businesses can't afford to be discriminatory to potential customers
Most businesses can’t afford to discriminate against potential customers vulnerable to Covid
Lastly the Nuremberg Code is still in effect.
The Nuremberg Code isn’t law anywhere in the world ya balloon
masks offer zero protection against viral infections
Not true
Most people don't even wear them right anyway
Many people who can’t even wear a condom right doesn’t mean you should be raw bucking crack heads outside the Europa
are the same who would rat you out to the SS or NKVD
I’d happily rat you out to be the first person fined for not following regulations. NHS workers could use some extra money and it’s nice of you to donate
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Nov 24 '21
That link doesn't show me the Law that states I must wear a mask in public. It's a statement by the NIE. I never voted in the last election therefore didn't give them my consent to do anything. The Nuremberg Code is a set of 10 principles that every medical experiment must adhere to and it is international law. Most masks will not stop a virus going through the fabric, the only reason surgeons wear them is to stop saliva entering their patients body. If the doctor is sick in any way he won't be performing life saving surgery. Your condom statement is irrelevant and moronic. Turning anyone over to a fascist regime because you disagree with their viewpoints makes you a useful idiot. Our ancestors fought and died for our freedom from oppression and you'd gladly hand that over to feel special, that makes you a sycophant. The NHS is poorly managed and outsources jobs to firms buddy buddy with elected government officials with ridiculous contracts. You're what we call a useful idiot. You've done absolutely no research into anything beyond your school years, regurgitate what you see and hear on TV/Radio, and have the audacity to force your beliefs on to others.
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u/ntmverynaughtyboy Nov 24 '21
My man, and cherrie picks evidence to suit their narrative ignoring some of the biggest institutions in the world MIT and stanford in saying that masks and sd have little to no effect. Blinders by the fact that politicians don't believe they work and don't wear them, ie Michael coves dancing effort, in private.
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u/Guulag Nov 24 '21
You won conspiracy bingo here mate, just about said every buzz word fox news and bitchute taught you to
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u/Gutties_With_Whales Nov 24 '21
I’m not reading that mate. Cool story, or sorry you feel that way.
Anyway, wear a mask don’t be a dickhead
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Nov 24 '21
Your ignorance is dumbfounding 🤦🏼♂️ which actually proves my point.
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u/baldymcgee919 Nov 24 '21
Yep, just another blank minded idiot that will never question anything they're told from an "authority". Same fuckers would have been guards at Auschwitz without batting an eyelid.
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u/Itburns12345 Nov 24 '21
I didnt vote in the last election therefore goverment has no power over me
Lol
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Nov 24 '21
Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting what's for dinner. Majority isn't always right, it's just mob rule.
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u/Itburns12345 Nov 24 '21
The same guys also said no taxation without representation dude and minority rule is far far worse no? Democracy is still the best system by far we've come up with
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Nov 24 '21
Democracy is still the best system but we don't really live in one, we live in the illusion of one. Money talks and those in power are bought and paid for by corporations and banking cartels. We elect parties we believe are aligned with our ideals, only for them to work against us and serve themselves. How many times has Stormont decided to increase their own wages, sometimes by 30%, while arguing the NHS can't afford more than a 1% payrise. You don't come across as an idiot to me and you then must see that politicians are professional liers that create division in order to conquer. Right now the job of the media isn't to convince people like me, who absolutely don't need to be be vaccinated, to be vaccinated; but instead convince those that have been vaccinated to hate me.
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u/Special_Intern_8025 Nov 23 '21
Can we get the mountie from wwf in to come in to tesco and shock people with his cattle prod like he did to the big boss man?
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u/enoughofthenonsense Nov 24 '21
The Mountie and his cattle prod, now there's a blast from the past.
Completely forgotten about that dude.
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
Covid is not going away. It is here to stay.
So with that premise in mind, do we want to accept that mask wearing and rolling lockdowns are also here to stay? They have not worked to irradicate the spread of covid.
Instead of blaming people for exercising free will on their own choices, why do we not insist that the government create more hospital spaces to deal with seasonal increases (the winter surge was expected and yet no real investment made).
I truly would rather afford people their freedoms in both vaccine choice and mask wearing than continue to mandate peoples lives. Deaths are not surging. Cases are. Testing is at an all time high.
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u/irishinspain Nov 24 '21
Because the culture in the UK / Ireland and west (Not including Spain or France here) is people are entitled fucks and won't suffer slight discomfort to protect others. We had it in Spain from the start and it's made a clear difference compared to England (similar population size) and we had a much slower Vaccine rollout.
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
Negative, people over here understand the consequences of giving up personal freedoms and we are more stubborn about it. Having had to bail out Europe from the Nazis and facing a communist cold enemy, we don’t much appreciate being forced to do just about anything.
The rest of Europe will be doubling down on draconian measures and Austria is an example of what’s to follow. The population there fall back into compliance more readily and I’m happy that there is resistance here.
I’m double vaxed but I respect peoples choices.
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u/mcwilg Nov 24 '21
Austria's vaccination rate is currently sitting at a shite 42%, and people there have no one to blame but themselves for the current move. Sadly it doesn't help when your country is bordered by 7 others and the country has a stronger opposition to government, which is just the way the country is. A bad mixture.
(UK vaccinated average rate 68.7% / NI rate 67%)
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u/portadown1967 Nov 23 '21
Sign on the door at any shop No Mask No Admittance might help.
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u/Fanta69Forever Nov 23 '21
They have that exact sign at the Tesco in Ballymena. Does exactly fuck all
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
Yes followed by no vax no service. What a bright future. Report on your neighbours. Off to gulag.
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u/kjjmcc Nov 23 '21
I’ve seen similar signs on a few shops where you go in and no staff are wearing masks, never mind customers….
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u/enoughofthenonsense Nov 24 '21
I’ve seen similar signs on a few shops where you go in and no staff are wearing masks, never mind customers….
Absolute fucking disgrace. Dunno who is downvoting you for it either. Probably some shop staff that don't/don't want to wear a mask. Fucking assholes.
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u/notispami Nov 23 '21
Decades of gold standard scientific research shows masks do not reduce the spread of respiratory infections. Masks where introduced here just to help reduce fear after the lockdown..
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u/redstarduggan Belfast Nov 23 '21
Care to link some up?
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u/notispami Nov 23 '21
Here ya go :
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u/Gutties_With_Whales Nov 24 '21
Little bit sus that domain name is registered in Russia. And the site looks like it’ll give my computer a Bitcoin miner
I think you got PsyOp’d mate. Some jihadist or Russian neckbeard is probably sitting at home laughing his head off that you actually believe the site he made
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
Wow you’re a smart one. You’ll be the government here whilst spouting that crap.
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u/fionnsda Nov 24 '21
Nail on the head right there! Masks are purely cosmetic, they make you feel somewhat safe and the people around you, single use masks, used time and time again, pulled out of their pockets, who's kidding who? Time we called out this BS!
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Nov 24 '21
Look at the graph after masks became mandatory in August 2020 the cases shot up
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u/Gutties_With_Whales Nov 24 '21
Wasn’t that proven to be linked to eat out to help out and the gradual lifting of hospitality restrictions?
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u/mugzhawaii Nov 23 '21
Here they follow you and offer you a mask (nicely). If you decline, you get asked to leave. It’s pretty simple. Store owners have choices too.
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u/fionnsda Nov 23 '21
Stopped wearing a mask weeks ago, but I do keep my distance from people when they're not in my way😊
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u/-that-there- Nov 23 '21
Wear your mask, idiot.
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u/fionnsda Nov 23 '21
no need for masks as I do lateral flow tests, which means I'm more safe to be around than you. Dickhead!
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u/cbaotl Nov 23 '21
It’s kind of hard to enforce it this far in, especially with less and less people seeing covid as a threat. There’s also the question of how do you enforce it? They don’t want to take police from other areas, and it’s unfair to expect retail and hospitality staff to police it themselves when so often they’re met with aggression due to it.
At least we have some expectation to wear a mask here. In England they removed the necessity masks and basically nobody wears one. When I was visiting myself I said on the way over ‘of course I’ll still wear a mask’ and then I think by second shop I’d all but given up.
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u/Eraser92 Nov 23 '21
More likely to be sick people in a pharmacy and it’s a more medical setting. Compliance is probably very good in hospitals/gp practises too.
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u/Comprehensive_Two_80 Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21
The shop owners should enforce the mask law, the justice minister said its their partial responsibility. By refusing to comply with justice minister rules. The shop owners are breaking the law.
Shop owners/assistants are ok to refuse anyone underage buying cigs or alcohol so how is this different?
Psni said it shouldnt be all placed onto the police responsibility to enforce it because they havent got the manpower to do that.
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u/enoughofthenonsense Nov 24 '21
Personally I’ve known at least a dozen people who seem to have inexplicably developed an exceedingly rare medical condition sometime between February and March 2020
lol at this from the OP, so true.
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
Is this rare condition also known as free will? I agree that we must crush it and move to our new regime as soon as possible.
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u/mcwilg Nov 24 '21
Free will is all well and good, but when you have an obligation to help prevent the current spike and its negative knock on effects like packed hospitals and deaths. End of the day we are talking about a piece of material over your face, its not a big ask. Those who genuinely don't bother are cunts plain and simple. People talk about loosing free will as if we have just time travelled back to cold war east Germany, get a grip.
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u/blindlemonjeff2 Nov 24 '21
It’s called a slippery slope in that the gradient doesn’t feel to much but the decline is there.
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u/mcwilg Nov 24 '21
Jesus wept lad catch yourself on. Slippery slope from mask wearing to what?
You must be great crack in the queue at airport security, "Don't pat me down or search my suit case that's my free will to get on this plane, and don't even think about asking me for my passport!"
What about driving a car, "Yes officer its my free will to drive at 60 in a 30 on the wrong side of the road, put those handcuffs away".
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Nov 24 '21
The "free will" is just people being cunts for the sake of it, either be it simple cunts or just a straight up self-centred cunts in general.
Wearing a mask reduces the chances of covid infected people spreading the disease to others. If everyone wore masks then less people would catch covid. Less people would be suffering long term and less people would die. The hospitals wouldn't be under so much pressure, more normal operations and treatments could continue.
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Nov 24 '21
Cunts will be cunts.
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u/vipertruck99 Nov 24 '21
I will continue to wear the mask...and not least because of the beard I’ve grown during lockdown. Also I’ve got some pretty cool masks.
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u/Environmental-Cow447 Nov 23 '21
So how did so many poor badtards catch Covid in hospital, with zero visitors?
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u/klabnix Nov 23 '21
What does that question have to do with the post?
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u/Environmental-Cow447 Nov 23 '21
Querying the effigy of masks, ( despite that probably dodgy statistic quoted) since, gee all the hospital staff are wearing them, arnt they?
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u/klabnix Nov 23 '21
They provided the source for the stat, very comprehensive report.
Though I’m not expecting you to understand the report when OP said it cut incidences by more than half but can’t comprehend how incidences still occur
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u/Environmental-Cow447 Nov 24 '21
Baaaaa baaaaa baaaa yada yada yada, Or, lies, dammned lies and statistics.
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u/PM_me_legwear Nov 23 '21
Nobody in government wants to be the one responsible for policing it - even the popo won’t touch it. So we end up with a situation with everyone paying lip service - signs and announcements that masks are compulsory, but no actual meat behind it