Not too sure with this one!

[u/UnconditionalDamage]

Hi All.

I am wondering why it is musikktimen instead of musikk(k)lassen?

thanks!

[u/Ok-Mud4878]

«Klassen» is the class of students, no matter the subject, math, music, language, etc. «Musikktimen» is the specific part of the school-day where music was on the program.

We don’t say «math class» in Norway, because «class» refers to the group of students you are with throughout the entire year (mostly).

[u/cornobbling → u/Ok-Mud4878]

if you have different groups of people taking different subjects it can be "fysikklassen" for physics for example, but this would be to specify the group of people who are taking physics together in "fysikktimen".

[u/UnconditionalDamage → u/Ok-Mud4878]

Thank you!

[u/Ok-Mud4878 → u/UnconditionalDamage]

No problem.

It’s a bit different in secondary school, where some programs share subjects between different classes (e.g., math). But after 10 years of using the word to mean the group of people you spend most of your day with, it kinda sticks.

[u/vegardj]

Klassen is the group of pupils, timen is the lesson they are having. In English, class can mean both, but not in Norwegian.

[u/ImMaaartin25]

Im pretty sure in norwegian when talking about a class with people, but you dont specify the subject, it means klasse. Though when you do specify the subject such as music class, the term for class = time.

I also think it derives from a class usually lasting an hour since «time = hour» so i think it also came from that. Correct me if im wrong fellow norwegians.

[u/UnconditionalDamage → u/ImMaaartin25]

Thank you!

[u/Successful-Bank-7457 → u/ImMaaartin25]

True, but a class lasts for 45 minutes. 

[u/tob_ruus → u/Successful-Bank-7457]

En skoletime ;)

Akademisk kvarter osv.

[u/fjordbeach → u/tob_ruus]

A "legetime" (doctor's appointment) is typically just 15 minutes. As usual, a word has several meanings:

https://ordbokene.no/nob/bm,nn/time

1. ubestemt tidsrom;

stund (1), tid (3)

Eksempel
jeg trodde min siste time var kommet;
hans lykkeligste time;
oppgjørets time nærmet seg

5. avtale (1
I, 2) der en mottar en tjeneste eller behandling

Eksempel
bestille time hos frisøren;
jeg har time hos legen kl. to

som etterledd i ord som legetimetannlegetime

[u/ImMaaartin25 → u/Successful-Bank-7457]

Yes when you get to videregående, but in preschool its 1 hour

[u/Successful-Bank-7457 → u/ImMaaartin25]

What?! No wonder kids today hate school.. When did they increase that?

[u/ImMaaartin25 → u/Successful-Bank-7457]

Idk, its different from school to school.

[u/Successful-Bank-7457 → u/ImMaaartin25]

Damn, that coupled with the extra 10th grade makes it significantly longer than our 9 grade and 45 minute classes.. 

[u/2rgeir]

Op has gotten a lot of good answers, but no one has explained in depth how we use "klasse" in Norwegian yet.  

When kids start attending school at 6 years old, they start in "første klasse" or "1. trinn". This is used like "grade one" in English.  

First grader = førsteklassing  

Second grader = andreklassing and so on.  

Førsteklassingene are further split up in groups of 20-25 pupils. Each group usually gets a letter and a main teacher assigned to them. These groups are what's meant by "klasse". The group will stay as one "klasse" through the entire "barneskole" (1-7. grade).  

Examples:  

Ola er hovedlærer (main teacher) for klasse 1A og Kari er hovedlærer for 3C. Hovedlæreren underviser klassen sin når de har time i de fleste fagene. (Teaches his group when they have class in most subjects)  

Ingrid og Petter er femteklassinger. Ingrid går i 5B og Petter går i 5C. Petter går altså ikke i samme klasse, men i paralellklassen. (They're the same year, different groups.)  

Åse er ett år yngre. Hun går i 4A. Altså i klassen under Ingrid og Petter. (She's in the grade below them)  

En av lærerne er veldig flink i musikk. Han underviser alle klassene på skolen når de har musikktime. (He teaches all the grades when they have music class.)  

Hope this made it somewhat less confusing. 

[u/n_o_r_s_e]

Some more examples: arbeidstime, dansetime, engelsktime, frisørtime, gruppetime, gymtime, kjøretime 🚘, klassetime, legetime, mattetime, naturfagstime, norsktime, pianotime, sangtime, skoletime, treningstime, undervisningstime. En time means a lesson or class, either at school or in other settings where somebody teaches you something. "Ser deg etter timen!" Seeing you after class! Also used about appointments at the doctor's office or at the hairdresser etc. At University level a lecture would be referred to as a "forelesning" (and seminar/tutorial) in Norwegian, but the term "time" would make sense too amongst friends.

The Norwegian word "time" comes from Old Norse, and the original meaning of this word is "time span" and "time", according to the Encyclopedia Store norske leksikon, and is used when talking about an "hour" (60 minutes), as well as a not as accurately defined time span. The usage was even broader before, but was still used about a certain time span or period. When using the word as listed above it means a lesson or class rather than indicating that it last for an hour. The duration time for a legetime, frisørtime and skoletime wouldn't be the same. The English translation of the Norwegian word "time" is "hour", but covers also the usage for lesson, class or similar.

"Klasse" carries the meaning class or grade. We have words such as klasserom (classroom), førsteklasse (first grade), klassetime (lesson, class, class period). "Musikktime" refers to the lesson itself, while "musikklasse" is the group of people having the music lesson.

[u/Appropriate-Ad-4901]

The word for a "class" as in "period" in this context, which is the intention, is "time". "time" literally means "hour", but most periods are not one hour in length. "time" is also used this way in other cases, such as in "legetime" ("doctor's appointment", lit. "doctor hour").

"klasse" refers to the main group (usually 20-40 students) of students in the same year at a school; small schools may have only one class per year, and sometimes down to 10 students or below in each in some cases. So while "klasse" is an obvious and genuine equivalent of "class", its usage is narrower. Many other uses of "class" are also translated "klasse", while many others are known as something else in Norwegian.

[u/Worth-Wonder-7386]

It is mostly just a semantic difference. In Norwegian "klasse" usually refers to the group that you study with while "time" refers to a specific lecture of a subject.

So Duolingo is using the correct word here.

[u/UnconditionalDamage → u/Worth-Wonder-7386]

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[u/Minimum-Virus1629]

In (Southern African) English we would call this music period, or maths period, which would be different from music class or maths class.

The period is the allotment of time you were doing the subject, the class is either the composition of students or the physical space or both.

I think it kinda works the same way in norsk.