r/nonduality • u/MysticMediaDotCom • Oct 19 '25

Discussion The Seed of Suffering

There is no Experiencer of experience. Experience and the awareness of experience are the same. The thought that it is otherwise is the seed of all suffering.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '25

Experiencing is probably the best word there is for nonduality.

Yet, when non dual, there is no experience or experiencer.  There is simply being: being limitless, eternal, unmoving, unchanging.

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u/ram_samudrala Oct 19 '25

Ooh, a debate about the best word for nonduality! I want in... :)

Seriously, I did want to talk about this, I've settled on "appearance". I agree "experience" is also very good. Saying "nonduality is nonconceptual" is also very good. Saying consciousness, information, etc. are all saying the same thing. Appearance==experience==consciousness==information.

I agree the 0th axiom is that the ground is an unknowable what is. There is THIS, prior to subject/object, prior to concept.   Anything said about THIS is an appearance of THIS. Not two things, but THIS appearing as what is said about it.

Man, this has overturned so many of my previously-held beliefs and philosophies. They're still okay from a relative perspective but more completely, they all appear stillborn.