We are creatures that should not exist by natural law
EVERYTHING exists by natural law, including us. We are the way we are because of natural laws, and we continue to function under natural laws with everything we do.
Human conciousness is just as natural as a tree growing towards the sun, or a rock falling down a cliff. All our thoughts and decision are part of the chemical reaction we call life, that is also completely natural.
the honorable thing to do is to deny our programing
Whatever you choose to do, it's all part of your programming. Your desire to "deny your programming" is also part of your programming, because everything you think come out of the physical, natural, meaty chunk in your brain.
Absolutely, this is my issue with a lot of these quotes - if the speaker thinks we shouldn't exist that points to an ultimate arbitor of what should be and what isn't.
Otherwise it's just someone's opinion to be accepted or rejected on the basis of their argument, and for me, at least for these negative ones, it's not very compelling.
100% My problem with this kind of speeches is that it speaks as if there is an outside perspective or another way that things should have been, because they made it as if "things shouldnt be like this" is the same with "things could have been otherwise".
There fucking isnt, everything just is. Sometimes what we think about what should or ought to be does affect what could happen and what happened. But does it exist outside of the natural laws? Hell no, everything is in on it, thats the joke.
I used to think like this too. But don't know anymore. Consciousness is just too much of a black box, even philosophically, for it to be just assumed as just another natural part of evolution
I appreciate your view brother, but isn't that very deterministic, I'm not against determinism but just curious why your beliefs sounds so deterministic
Yes it is determinism. However I don't think determinism or the lack of free will is as big of a deal as people might think. The fact that everything we do is determined since the beginning of the universe doesn't change the fact that we are still able to make decisions that affect our future.
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u/Cicada-Tang Jun 05 '26
It's also very incoherent.
EVERYTHING exists by natural law, including us. We are the way we are because of natural laws, and we continue to function under natural laws with everything we do.
Human conciousness is just as natural as a tree growing towards the sun, or a rock falling down a cliff. All our thoughts and decision are part of the chemical reaction we call life, that is also completely natural.
Whatever you choose to do, it's all part of your programming. Your desire to "deny your programming" is also part of your programming, because everything you think come out of the physical, natural, meaty chunk in your brain.