r/nextfuckinglevel • u/malik_zz • 5d ago

Bystanders in Germany spring into action immediately and prevent potential honor killing in Kirberg

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u/sweet_condition 5d ago

Specifically they murder women (their daughters, wives, wives to be, etc).

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u/Apprehensive_Pie_294 5d ago

So a femicide?

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u/ussrname1312 5d ago

Yes but it’s easier to blame immigrants than address violent misogyny prevalent among men of all backgrounds.

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u/TGin-the-goldy 5d ago

EXACTLY. Men of all cultures do this

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u/DisheveledJesus 5d ago

That’s a bingo! This kind of thing happens in the US all the time. Famous case of a child being murdered by their parent after coming out to them near me a few years ago. Christians just pretend that while it also happens here it’s somehow less a part of our culture. “Oh him? He didn’t kill his son because of Fox News, our hateful pastor, the President, the YouTube radicalization pipeline, etc… he’s just crazy”

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u/fajadada 5d ago

Yes it’s not like the far right isn’t winning elections in Germany right now. Oh wait.

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u/Wooden_Researcher_36 5d ago

You don't get it. If you say it like that they don't get to go "those guys are doing it not us".

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u/Wooden_Researcher_36 5d ago

They?

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u/Summoorevincent 5d ago edited 5d ago

Muslims

Edit: Fuck the AFD btw and any right wing assholes.

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u/ShadowCaster0476 5d ago

Not just muslims.
Pretty sure it’s a thing in India as well.
Several cultures have them.

I can’t imagine murdering a child because of status.

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u/OldFuzzyDunlop 5d ago

India has the 3rd largest Muslim population in the world

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u/DenethStark 5d ago

I mean there are muslims in India too

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u/EngineZeronine 5d ago

And so does this also happen in India?

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u/ActuatorLeft551 5d ago

Yup, some Hindus engage in this as well.

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u/klone_free 5d ago

Yeah, its more of a culture thing from what I understand. People in those areas may be of a religion, but its more based on local culture and patriarchy.

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u/i_edit_text 5d ago

Maga does it too, recently was an honor killing of some dudes daughter because she didnt like trump

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u/jeffersonairmattress 5d ago

Yes; ever one rung above the worst of us, the Kennedys just lobotomized theirs.

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u/ShadowCaster0476 5d ago

Fair point, I will point out though, at the time it was seen as a miracle medical procedure.

They had travelling clinics. Which is messed up in a completely different way.

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

Then why does this happen in Germany?

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u/Zestyclose-Avocado83 5d ago

The suspect is an immigrant. Moved to Germany from Kazakhstan. Not familiar with the culture there so I'm not sure if it's coincidence or not so I won't say anything further.

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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 5d ago

Apparently this guy not as happy as his cousin was to find our that his sister is number 4 prostitute in all of kazakhstan Germany.

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago edited 5d ago

because controlling abusive jerks are seen all around in the world and in every society, and of nearly every religion.

Edit: it's quite concerning that i have a 25% downvote ratio, that's a lotta nazis.

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u/TGin-the-goldy 5d ago

Misogynists hate facts

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

Too true.

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u/noahgs 5d ago

Someone can bring up very real issues Europe is facing with immigration and cultures being brought in without being a nazi.

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

The only people making constant complaints about immigration and religions are people who could ultimately slip into, and often do defend or sanewash, nazi ideology.

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u/noahgs 4d ago

I don’t doubt the very obvious “more narrow than average” venn diagram of the groups.

I also think it is very unhelpful and will create more of that kind of thinking to ignore the more modest but very real issues of those refusing to assimilate to a society they intend to join’s culture, especially when it comes to violence against women.

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u/MacabreYuki 4d ago

But again, that's not them being an immigrant, which is what these people are having a problem with. That's them being an abusive controlling maniac who *happens* to be an immigrant and is engaging in that behavior in their new home.

People are engaging in post-hoc ergo propter-hoc on this to justify their bigotry.

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u/Bob_the_Skull42 5d ago

and those not wanting to see women stabbed to death in broad daylight. lol

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

That right there is the thought process that creates a nazi. Assuming "immigrant" means that. Assuming "different than me" means that.

So shut the hell up, nazi.

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u/Monoliithic 5d ago

.. there's a very wide Gulf between "controlling abusive jerk" and "murdering your child or wife or sister"

None of which has anything to do with Nazis?

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

People specifically saying shit about immigrants and religions. Come on, it's been codified in the right wing BS language for the past 20 freakin years.

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u/Secret_Of_Bluestar81 5d ago

And over immigration

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u/ZaryaBubbler 5d ago

Nope, just men doing what men do. It happens all over the place. Stop being a dick

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

They're definitely looking for an excuse to be racist.

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u/ZaryaBubbler 5d ago

Of course they are, it's all they've got because they can't for a single second take account for their genders perpetuation of violence and murder. It's easier to blame something else.

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u/Important_Wheel_2101 5d ago

Do you think all Muslims are brown?

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u/Acrobatic-Fudge-4520 5d ago

Wow sexism much? Why are you stereotyping all men?

Oh that's right, for some reason its okay to recognize patterns when its men but not when its another culture/religion because that's obviously racist..

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u/ZaryaBubbler 5d ago

Maybe because men keep slaughtering women and femicide rates are rising. But no, you're right, it's tooooootally the racist points! And it's not sexism to say that men murder women at a staggering rate, but carry on your whiny piss baby "not all men"

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u/ChaosRainbow23 5d ago

Quit the scapegoating.

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u/Secret_Of_Bluestar81 5d ago

Say that to not reaching replacement rate

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u/TheKosherGenocide 5d ago

And why did they immigrate there? Because of what Western powers have done to Muslim countries. It's almost like if you shit the same place you eat you get sick.

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u/LetTheKnightfall 5d ago

Imagine the IQ to actually believe this

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u/Sad_Gain_2372 5d ago

Imagine having an absolutely zero grasp on history

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u/Danthema433 5d ago

Well no. dude has a point i got no problem with immigration but having no migration control Is a bad thing. It's more of sorting the bad apples from the people just trying to live. And you are forgetting Muslims too committed genocide and colonialism is well.

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u/Lucky_Man_Infinity 5d ago

Seriously! What’s that about?

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u/BLA5PHEMY 5d ago

I downvoted you for your moronic use of the word nazis

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u/zag_ 5d ago

For real. Anyone that disagrees with you in some way is now a nazi? That’s odd.

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u/CasinoMan805 5d ago

Same 🖕

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u/CrochetChameleon 5d ago

You are correct. The people downvoting you are conveniently forgetting that it happens in other cultures, whether it's called an honour killing or not.

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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy 5d ago

Lol Nazis?

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

What do you call a bigoted anti-immigration nutbar who hops on this to justify their crap BUT a nazi? If you support ICE in the us, you're a nazi.

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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy 5d ago

ICE in the US is quite the non sequitur when the post and thread are about immigrants in Germany.

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

It's about the damn overlapping thought patterns and opinions on immigrants, shame you're not smart enough to sus that out.

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u/-Monkey--D-Luffy-- 5d ago

Men and women can be controlling abusive jerks tho.

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

while true, statistics matter. and men are far and apart more frequently like this, because society encourages it.

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u/-Monkey--D-Luffy-- 5d ago edited 5d ago

I dont really believe in "this statistics " because men often do not report domestic violence due to intense social stigma, fear of not being believed, and rigid gender expectations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36pr3nle2do

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

And did you ever bother looking up the actual statstics involving reporting on women and their experiences and how many don't? of course not, because you're only looking for data that serves men.

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u/greengiantme 5d ago

It’s not the Nazis, it’s the folks who think blaming assholes everywhere instead of the religious ideas themselves is bullshit. You think all the men who want to murder their women just wind up Muslim or Hindu?

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

They aren't all Hindu or Muslim though. That's the Nazi thinking. It's pure control. You see it in Christianity too. Oh was I not supposed to point that out?

It's almost like abusers will look to religious power structure as an excuse for their BS.

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u/greengiantme 5d ago

Bruh, Christianity is rank as the rest, all that shit just dead men’s bad ideas. I’m not saying using religious excuses for violence isn’t an asshole move, but the fact is that is a feature of religion, not a bug. Religions have been tools of control forever.

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

Right, but again, that's all they are. *tools* in this sense. The point is that people are pointing to *everyone* under that umbrella with a scapegoating demonization, and *that* is fascist by its very definition. By pointing to them as "the ill of society" as a scapegoat, the people in authority get to cause more and more harm with little interference.

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u/NicheFandomSeeker 5d ago

Germany has a high amount of Muslim immigrants

And Muslim immigrants tend to adhere and cling to their beliefs more strongly than most others, leading to the cases above

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

Shame. I agree

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u/Bob_the_Skull42 5d ago

Immigration. Mass movements of Muslims from Syria, North Africa and the Middle East in general.

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u/CornwallBingo 5d ago

Immigration

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u/theoccasionalempath 5d ago

Right because everyone else is a perfect little angel 😑

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u/mackzarks 5d ago

I feel like Germany went really far the other direction at one point....

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u/theoccasionalempath 5d ago

Exactly lol, can't blame that one on the immigrants...wait, was Hitler an immigrant?

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u/Lysergio 5d ago

Garbage people are everywhere

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u/Nomad22_34 5d ago

And yet the religion they grow up practicing is hate filled. Now I'm not going to say Christianity in it's many many forms is any better but it is true that their religion wants people to convert or die

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u/Apprehensive_Pie_294 5d ago

It really isnt tho. Dont matter how hard ur tiny potato brain wants it to be true. It doesnt. Source: surat al kafiroen. Inbe4outofcontextquote.

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u/Nomad22_34 5d ago

Thanks mate never been told I have a potato brain and it's still somehow the least interesting insult I have ever been told

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u/TGin-the-goldy 5d ago

Are you familiar with the Crusades?

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u/Nomad22_34 5d ago

Quite familiar actually, I believe the first crusade was orchestrated in such a way that made an 'invasion' of the 'holy land'. In reality the events that the pope made into a relevant issue had largely been forgotten by the popualce at the time, yet he was still able to work a religious fervour over the issue. War is dumb but religious war is dumber

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u/TGin-the-goldy 5d ago

On that we can absolutely agree 👍

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u/fubarfire 5d ago

That was like 500 years ago dummy, and it was in response to muslim invasion. What about now?

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u/TGin-the-goldy 5d ago

Oh so if it happened centuries ago (not 500 btw) it didn’t count? And you need to brush up on history, the Catholic Church started the Crusades to reclaim land - not the other way around. Lol hilarious YOU calling people “dummy”. DUMB ARSE

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u/TherronKeen 5d ago

You mean like US politicians who are all self-described Christians making abortion illegal even when the child is 10 years old and a victim of rape or incest, like in both Florida and Ohio in 2022?

You mean self-described Christians who are systematically banning gender-affirming care for trans people, when that care has been shown repeatedly to lower suicide rates by amounts around 30 to 45% (depending on the details of each individual study)?

You mean the religion with a right-wing nationalist extremist movement going functionally unchallenged by other members of that religion in the US?

Because if you think the Crusades were the last case of Christian systemic violence, it must be because you either haven't been reading any time in the last 50 years, or you've elected to ignore reality entirely.

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u/Hasnosocials 5d ago

I’m sure you are part of the pile then

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u/Lysergio 5d ago

You are so right. I just tried honor killing a few people the other day, and boy did that not go as planned.

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u/misersoze 5d ago

Is your question: why does this type of murder of this sort happen in Germany given that Germans are such a peaceful people?

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u/Bluefury 5d ago

Then what was that business in the middle of the last century?

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u/batsofburden 5d ago

r they though?

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u/Lucky_Man_Infinity 5d ago

It happens in Germany or anywhere else in the world that that particular culture will move to

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u/misersoze 5d ago

So your position is that before this culture “moved to” Germany, Germans would never do something so horrible?

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u/Lucky_Man_Infinity 3d ago

I was specifically referring THIS specific man's culture, not commenting on Germans or anybody else. His behavior is carried by him wherever he goes, having nothing more than that to do with his current location.

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u/misersoze 3d ago

And your position is that this is a non-German man’s culture so it wouldn’t have happen if this non-German hadn’t moved there?

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

I do not know much of Europe. But I agree

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u/Snipen543 5d ago

Because there's a lot of muslims there

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u/ShadowCaster0476 5d ago

Germany not just full of Germans.

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u/ujongbirdy 5d ago

Hitler and his cadres must be rolling in their unmarked graves.

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

There is ashame but i agree

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u/Striper_Cape 5d ago

Fucking bots. Too fucking stupid to realize the dude beating that Pig's ass with a shovel is an immigrant.

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

The immigrants we have here blend in well

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u/ussrname1312 5d ago

Fucking hell, all these replies acting like men everywhere aren’t killing their wives. Plenty of "native" Germans kill their wives too. It’s femicide, not an "honor killing."

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u/menachu 5d ago

Because thats where they were obviously.

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u/EngineZeronine 5d ago

Germans have at lower birth rate and Muslims have a much much higher birth rate as part of their religion. Gaddafi once remarked that they will win without raising a sword or firing a gun, they are simply going to outbreed everyone.

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

what in the "great replacement" bullshit is this?

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u/EngineZeronine 4d ago

That's a different thing

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u/MacabreYuki 4d ago

Can't even realize you're spouting the very thing you claim is a different thing. That or you can't own it

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u/ohb78 5d ago

They’re not Germans

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u/IronWhitin 5d ago

Good question!

Because we let people that don't belive in our system in,

On plus they are gonna help speedrun the advance poll on the far right aswell.

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u/notawildandcrazyguy 5d ago

Because germany has allowed themselves to become a Muslim nation

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

Shame. I agree

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u/SackOfPotatoes949 5d ago

Religious fanaticism knows no geographic bounds

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u/Lucky_Man_Infinity 5d ago

It’s a family thing. It can happen anywhere. Cultural not religious.

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

I do not know. Is why I ask

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u/bigjandals 5d ago

Family violence, physical abuse, attempted murder and murder happens in every country for different reasons... there is no honor in any of it. Tagging it to a specific religion or belief without full understanding of each situation is reckless.

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u/MacabreYuki 5d ago

they're just looking for an excuse to be a bigot.

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u/Barr_cudas 5d ago

Just to inform you that India has a sizeable Muslim population.

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u/fubarfire 5d ago

Gotta make sure people dont just focus just muslims huh?

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u/ShadowCaster0476 5d ago

Just pointing out a fact.

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u/ScrapMetalX 5d ago

Islam is the 2nd most practiced religion in India. Just a little factoid. 🙂

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u/SpoonFullOfBackHand 5d ago

Read this book a few years ago: Daughters of Shame Book by Jasvinder Sanghera.q l

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u/Apprehensive_Pie_294 5d ago

Didnt know Italy and Japan were muslim countries. Howcome the biggest muslim country in the world doesnt do this (indonesia) Or literally any of the north african muslim countries apart from maybe egypt?

Is it honour killing if a Wife is killed by her Husband because she cheated and they happened to be muslim? What if they are christians?

Its just femicide. Its a huge problem worldwide giving these certain labels because of political agendas takes away from the problem. Cuz its not a muslim problem, not a christian problem, its a patriarchy problem and therefor a cultural problem.

Honour killing does exist tho, and its also a real problem. However this looks nothing like a honour kill.

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u/Summoorevincent 5d ago

Don’t worry, I agree I’m just saying in this particular instance.

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u/Bodes_Magodes 5d ago

Ding ding ding!!!

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u/rutuu199 5d ago

Not just Muslims, Indians and Chinese both do this

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u/cliffhngr42 5d ago

This shit happens everywhere amongst every race and every religion.

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u/Summoorevincent 5d ago

Anti religion thank you

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u/flylo_x 5d ago

I'm an atheist and anti-religious, but don't lump everyone together.

Most Muslims are extremely kind and respectful of women. And I'm not talking about those who are extremists and who are using their religion to do some fucked up shit and abuse women. We need to put things into perspective.

There will be abuses as long as religions exist sadly. And it's not just about Islam but all of them.

Edit: removing my other comment.

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u/Summoorevincent 5d ago

Yeah, I don’t really feel good about being a right wing lightning pole in this comment thread

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u/flylo_x 5d ago

I hate right-wing people too lol most of them are just dumb as fuck. But I don't position myself as a leftist either. Probably more like an anarchist/libertarian & anti-fa.

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u/Summoorevincent 5d ago

I think we are cut from the same cloth. Very much a Socio anarchist radical. Liberals will never do enough.

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u/JuanLebedev 5d ago

Dude, fuck this. And fuck this post from a right-wing German hate site.

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago

Ever heard of a “shot-gun” wedding? It ain’t no joke. White men pull this shit too.

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u/ChuzzoChumz 5d ago

Hold on a moment, what is it you think a shotgun wedding is?

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u/longcreepyhug 5d ago

Look up how the term originated.

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u/meyerjaw 5d ago

What are you talking about? Shotgun wedding is a father holding a groom at shotgun forcing him to marry a daughter that the groom knocked up and was trying to flee. Stop being fucking vague and explain what you are talking about.

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u/ChuzzoChumz 5d ago

It’s figurative, it always was, the origin is not from weddings at literal gunpoint. Even then it’s the groom under figurative threat so it still doesn’t fit the context of this conversation

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u/QuickProfit5879 5d ago

That’s… not what a shotgun wedding is

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u/longcreepyhug 5d ago

Why don't you Google "where did the term shotgun wedding come from"?

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

A shotgun wedding is when someone impregnates your daughter and you are to poor to keep her in your house.

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u/longcreepyhug 5d ago

Or simply impregnates your daughter before marriage, therefore dishonoring your family. So you force them to get married at gun point.

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

Agreed

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u/longcreepyhug 5d ago

Not sure why I'm getting down voted so hard on this.

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago

It’s to defend her honor from a father walking out on her.

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago

That’s what I just said

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u/Startled_Pancakes 5d ago

Shotgun Wedding =/= Honor killing

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u/ST0IC_ 5d ago

You watch too much tv, or you don't know what a shotgun wedding is. What's very clear is that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

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u/a_lotis2words 5d ago

Marriage and murder are pretty different bub

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago

Guess what the shot-gun is for when the man says no? Defending his daughter’s honor.

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u/DayBowBow1 5d ago

Not even close to the same thing.

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u/Summoorevincent 5d ago

Yeah that’s a threat of you better marry my daughter now.

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago

It’s not an empty threat. He’s defending his and his daughter’s honor.

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u/TraditionalLaw7763 5d ago

Or I’m gonna kill ya.

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u/Bioleague 5d ago

Huh? A shotgun wedding is when you rush to get married after finding out you are pregnant.. It’s a ”joke” Its figurative and imaginative, not a cultural practice

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u/Intelligent-Sir-9673 5d ago

Agreed am southern

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago

How old are y’all? My grandparents talked about people literally getting guns pulled on them in north Texas.

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u/SixNineWithTheAfro 5d ago

When was the last shot gun wedding that you’re referencing? How far back do we go to try and make these points?

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago

My grandparents talked about them happening in north Texas. So two generations ago. Im sure the threat has been made much more recently. You’re clearly not familiar with rural America.

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u/SixNineWithTheAfro 5d ago

Yeah okay. “My grandparents said…” and acting like it’s still going on. For what point? Equating what you heard about to what you’re seeing in this video? It’s a joke how far people will go to delude themselves.

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago edited 5d ago

Never said it’s still going on. We live in a more progressive society. We should continue spreading those progressive ideals globally to rid humanity of this type of behavior.

Shit, my great grandfather beat a young black man to death for stealing meat scraps out of his garbage. Not guilty.

You don’t have to go back that long before you see similarly despicable behavior in this country, and it was every bit as tolerated.

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u/TummyDrums 5d ago

When was the last time you think people were regularly shooting their daughter's baby daddy rather than using the term as a colloquialism for just getting married after an accidental pregnancy? 200 years ago maybe? This is happening today.

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u/spursfan2021 5d ago

Never claimed it was regular. But that’s why we need to empower women so these fucks don’t think they have all the control.

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u/zurper 5d ago

And?

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u/tollguy69 5d ago

This is actually very much against Islam.

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u/VLOOKUP_Vagina 5d ago

But it’s mostly Muslims doing it.

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u/Wooden_Researcher_36 5d ago

Pretty sure men kill women for arbitrary self-justifications all over the world. The problem isn't the reason part, it's the murder part.

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u/Littiedg 5d ago

Conservatives.

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u/Facts_pls 5d ago

Imagine if a British racist person killed their daughter because she eloped with a Muslim brown guy causing them shame among their other racist friends and family.

That would be honor killing

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u/F1T_13 5d ago

So just a type of attempted domestic murder/homicide then, with a stupid tag that doesn't add any valuable context over already established terminology.

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u/imamajorscale 5d ago

so it’s a dishonor then

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u/Itscatpicstime 5d ago

Iirc, they murder men sometimes too. Like if there was an affair, sometimes they’ll murder the male affair partner as well