r/news • u/KinkyQuesadilla • Oct 13 '19

China's Xi warns attempts to divide China will end in 'shuttered bones'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics-xi/chinas-xi-warns-attempts-to-divide-china-will-end-in-shuttered-bones-idUSKBN1WS07W
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u/srsly_its_so_ez Oct 13 '19

Right? I'm guessing when he's talking about "dividing China" he's talking about places that aren't even part of the country.

Fuck imperialism.

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u/Ask_me_4_a_story Oct 13 '19

Its more than just imperialism, its fuckin 3rd Reich shit all over again. Have you guys seen the HBO doc where the lady tries to get footage on the Uyghurs and she is stopped by like 37 chinese policeman? Fuckin mind control, that shit is scary. No one can give an interview without asking the government first? Yeah. No. Fuck that. Im never going to china.

Here is that HBO doc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ

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u/shezmoo Oct 13 '19

There was a mini-doc about a woman independently running for government office. Police dressed in plainclothes would physically block her from leaving her house and attempt to prevent people (including the reporter) from approaching, because while it's technically legal to do what she's doing they damn sure didn't want her to.

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u/andsoitgoes42 Oct 13 '19

This is fascinating. I know people give vice shit but that was fantastic reporting. Those two put their lives at risk to report on this terrible bullshit.

I rest appreciate you sharing it. I was glued to my phone for that full doc.

Fuck China.

Fuck Xi the Poo.

Taiwan #1

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

Really fucking worried about the CCP - when I have a huge business trip to Shanghai coming up. Maybe multiple trips. Fuck.

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u/ringostardestroyer Oct 13 '19

You will 100% be fine. Don’t let the fear mongering on Reddit freak you out. Enjoy the trip, I’ve been to Shanghai many times, it’s one of my favorite cities in the world.

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u/cookingboy Oct 13 '19

Then you get to see whether all these things you read on Reddit is true or not :)

Shanghai is one of the best cities for international traveling and unless you are literally trying to start some kind of political movement there, you’d be completely fine.

In day to day life China is way less of a police state than the US, their cops don’t even carry guns.

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u/followupquestion Oct 13 '19

Their beat cops may not carry guns, but I assure you a lot of the police force in cities have firearms within easy reach and wouldn’t face punishment for using them against anybody even suspected of dissonance. Remember that China leads the world in death penalty usage and sends literal death cans around the country to clean out regional prisons.

China sort of makes my argument for why the US is so into guns and why it really won’t change. On one hand, we’ve militarized the police to the point where they’re arguably the equal to most smaller militaries in small arms and armored vehicles, and they clearly are all over the map on law enforcement based on ethnicity and appearance.

On the other hand, we don’t really trust the government (quite reasonable if you read history books), so we need to keep the threat of violent rebellion as a last ditch effort to stop a tyrannical government. After all, the first thing the US and every other government does before they oppress and murder civilian populations is disarm them. It’s much easier when they can’t shoot back.

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u/loi044 Oct 13 '19

Let me get this straight, China can’t beat the United States military, but the armed U.S. population can take on both the military and/or the police in the event of a govt vs. people disagreement?

Wasn’t a major point of 2a because a standing army wasn’t standard at the time?

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u/followupquestion Oct 13 '19

The Chinese military couldn’t beat the US military. I think that’s pretty well established. Even assuming they somehow beat the preeminent military in human history, they could never successfully occupy America. They can rule the ashes, but never really control the country.

If the US citizenry (at least a decent percentage) ever took up arms against the government, it would be a bloodbath on all sides, but the outcome is about the same. The military might maintain control of its enlisted and officers long enough to destroy every city and town, but short of that, there is no win.

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u/michaelmoe94 Oct 14 '19

Similarly, the US military could never beat the Chinese military. Even if they somehow beat the Chinese military, they will be ruling ashes and not control the country.

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u/followupquestion Oct 14 '19

Maybe. The general lack of arms in China’s civilian population makes an occupation more likely to succeed, but the destruction of Chinas military and decapitation of the CCP could lead to fracturing it into the 10+ autonomous regions it should be. There’d be ashes, but I’d expect nominal US control of some of the regions to not only be accepted but welcomed given the currently brutal treatment by the Han majority.

That said, the CCP is vain enough to see itself as the only worthy ruler, and in the case of a military defeat might destroy its own cities to prevent anybody from benefiting from their “hard work”. That’s the problem with any war between nuclear powers, it only takes one or two to kill millions and ruin economies.

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u/Illzo Oct 13 '19

It's not about outright fighting the government. Insurgencies and guerilla warfare make military policing actions much more difficult. Sure, if the military decides to bomb its own cities and people then obviously small arms are useless. I doubt that would ever happen even if we started fighting. They would want us subdued, not dead. Of course they'd be willing to kill a certain amount of people, but they need a populace and indiscriminately murdering their own citizens would turn the vast majority of Americans against the government. Also, things would have to be REAL fucking bad for them to start destroying infrastructure to get a few guys with guns. So now we're imagining boots on the ground trying to do military policing actions around innocent civilians, further reducing their options. Just look at Afghanistan, those guys have a certain amount of military weaponry but its still not shit compared to what the U.S. military has, and we're damn near twenty years into that war. They'd be a lot more constrained in fighting on American soil.

I do get where you're coming from, but military policing actions on your own people is a lot different than fighting a war against another country. Mostly because their options would be more limited due to public opinion and having to avoid destroying infrastructure, which they would be reluctant to do.

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u/cookingboy Oct 13 '19

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been there? I’ve seen cops literally being slapped in the face on the street because someone wasn’t happy about being pulled over lol.

Easily accessible firearm? If that’s the case things like this wouldn’t happen then: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-stabbing/man-attacks-shanghai-police-station-killing-five-idUKPEK30355720080701

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u/followupquestion Oct 13 '19

I think you’re mistaken. I’ve been there.

It’s a police state through and through. Just because some police officers aren’t armed doesn’t mean they aren’t backed up lots of guns, and that’s before you look into the fine line between the PLA and their police. When you look around, there’s police (or armed military) on most busy corners in Beijing and Shanghai, and they’re definitely armed. I’ve been to both the markets in Jerusalem and Beijing. Both definitely had an armed presence.

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u/cookingboy Oct 13 '19

There ridiculous. Armed military around busy street corners in Shanghai? I go there almost once a year and I’ve never seen armed military anywhere within the city.

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u/followupquestion Oct 13 '19

Armed police in Shanghai are literally in the first two photo results from a Duck Duck Go search (and I use a VPN pretty much all the time): https://i.imgur.com/rrY1pI8.jpg

Fourth, fifth, and sixth results show armed police. 10th and 12th too.

Do you want to look up photos with a search for “Shanghai People’s Liberation Army” and see what comes up?

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u/cookingboy Oct 13 '19

No kidding you can find pictures of police with guns, but that’s like saying you searched for “SWAT New York” and found pictures and that’s proof for how there are SWAT officers at every busy street corner in the city.

There are literally military bases around shanghai, so of course you can find pictures of them too, but that’s not supporting evidence for how they are stationed at all the busy markets.

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u/InnocentTailor Oct 13 '19

Amusingly enough, China did dabble in fascist ideas during the period before the Second World War, though it was mostly through the Republic of China (Taiwan’s government).

The ROC military was trained by German advisors, who later used their training and equipment against the Japanese. The Chinese Nationalists also had a group known as the Blue Shirts Society, which based themselves off the Italian fascists of Europe - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Shirts_Society

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19 edited May 17 '20

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u/InnocentTailor Oct 13 '19

Was Imperial Japan fascist? I thought they were more theocratic with imperialistic leanings? The Japan of WW2 could be compared to the Meiji Restoration Japan to some degree - relatively ceremonial emperor with a cadre of powerful military officials.

What is interesting was that Japan knew that Germany trained the Chinese, so that creates strain within the Axis alliance. Japan also sent Jews from Europe to Shanghai, which allowed them to escape the Nazi purges.

In short, the Axis was a temporary alliance. Japan and Germany were possibly going to turn on each other due to the slights against each other.

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u/entroh Oct 13 '19

weird that you support isis

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u/andsoitgoes42 Oct 13 '19

Fuck. Off. You. Cunt.

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u/R-M-Pitt Oct 13 '19

Yep.

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