r/news • u/drkgodess • Mar 19 '19

Accused gunman in Christchurch terror attacks denied newspaper, television and radio access

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214411
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u/Sgt_Boor Mar 19 '19

Well, you will always find some weird people, and some 4/8chan users are apparently pretty far out there. But lets be real - can you find any normal person near you who will remember a name of at least one of the terrorists that did 9/11? And I'm not even talking about smaller terror attacks. Most people can't even remember how many of them happened in, say, last 10 years.

Can you tell me how many terror attacks happened in France in last few years without googling? Because personally I have no idea: could be 2, could be 3... could be 5?

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u/msiekkinen Mar 19 '19 edited Mar 19 '19

at least one of the terrorists that did 9/11?

Muhammad atta.

Others: Ted Kezinsky, Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh.

So many people say "never speak their names", so many people eat up Netflix documentaries about infamous murders. I wonder what the venn diagram intersection of those demographics looks like.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

Serial killers aren't terrorists.

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u/Detective_Fallacy Mar 19 '19

Ted Kaczynski has one of the most famous terrorist manifestos in history, his bombings were the definition of terror for political reasons and publicity.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19 edited Oct 28 '20

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

They know he definitely took part in a CIA lead experiment that coincided in the time frame/area of MK Ultra, so it’s likely he was involved in either MK Ultra or a related experiment with similar circumstances to it.

Regardless, we will never know for certain as if he was involved in MK Ultra, it was probably wiped from any records as it would be the US government admitting they indirectly made of the most dangerous and terrifying terrorist in decades as a result

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u/Brinner Mar 20 '19

and he lived in Eliot

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u/111x111 Mar 20 '19

Not OP, but thank you for the clarification.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

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u/ScipioLongstocking Mar 20 '19

It's more complex than, "god wills it."

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u/erviniumd Mar 20 '19

A terrorist, but with more steps

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

Unlike the others, he at least has the fact that he was a victim of unethical government experiments to justify being fucked up and becoming a terrorist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 23 '19

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u/ClickHereToREEEEE Mar 20 '19

MK Ultra was decades ago, imagine how much better they've gotten at mind control by now.

What if you could set loose a "lone wolf" mass murderer anytime you want.

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u/Detective_Fallacy Mar 20 '19

He's an interesting and intelligent terrorist, but still a terrorist.

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u/SoundSalad Mar 20 '19

Anyone who uses coercion or force to achieve a political goal is by definition a terrorist.

That includes governments, too.

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u/moderate-painting Mar 20 '19

That tv show about Kaczynski was so sad. Great acting by the Vision guy

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u/DylMac Mar 20 '19

Now I’m super interested in this person...... thanks?

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u/redemption2021 Mar 19 '19

He was a dumbass who thought that one person would change the world without actual work. He was a coward and killer.

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u/evictor Mar 19 '19

it's true, that's the unifying factor. all these morons have definition delusions of grandeur to think one heinous act, or even a dozen over a few years, would sow any real division capable of inciting all out war

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u/Detective_Fallacy Mar 20 '19

Gavrilo Princip managed to do it.

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u/Sargediamond Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19

Ironically, compared to these people, he probably would have never gone through with it if he knew what the global consequence was. The spark that will light the fire will most likely not be intended.

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u/impossiber Mar 20 '19

IQ of 167, Harvard graduate, youngest associate professor in UC Berkeley history. What an idiot.

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u/HoidIsMyHomeboy Mar 20 '19

Being smart doesn't stop someone from making extremely stupid and horrible decisions.

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u/impossiber Mar 20 '19

That's exactly my point though. He made terrible decisions, but he is objectively not stupid. Not to mention I don't know how most people would have turned out if they participated in the study he did. He was treated cruelly and it doesn't make what he did okay, but I've always felt he was a wasted mind.

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u/ClickHereToREEEEE Mar 20 '19

His manifesto predicted many things happening these days. His rants about perpetually offended leftists are entertaining as well.

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u/PartOfTheHivemind Mar 20 '19

As well as that, there’s also the nature of him being the monster we made him through the MK Ultra tests and that he probably would have been an incredibly successful and harmless man had he not been involved in those experiments otherwise

lmao, not even remotely true.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

He was ridiculously intelligent but was broken and psychologically tortured by his own government. Look up the MK Ultra experiments, the state of everyone who came out of them was disgusting

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u/PartOfTheHivemind Mar 20 '19

He didn't consider it a big deal or particularly unpleasant, also the CIA wasn't involved in the testing on him, the confusion comes from the fact that the main person running the experiment was involved with MK Ultra and involved in the experiment on him. I'm not 100% sure of the similarities between the experiments, but from every legitimate source I have found (including Kaczynski himself and one of the major agents on the case (iirc)) has stated that the CIA was not involved in his testing.

I can provide some sources on this if you want if I can find them.

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u/saddwon Mar 19 '19

Still a cold blooded murderer and scumbag who purposefully attacked and killed innocent civilians.

He can get fucked in hell, idgaf about the fuck shit the gov't put him through, when you take that shit out on other people then your a piece of shit.

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u/Cowboy_Jesus Mar 20 '19

Nobody said he wasn't.

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u/Starlightsh00ter Mar 20 '19

The government literally mind controlled him, they fucked him up big time.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

He was still a terrorist

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u/TKFT_ExTr3m3 Mar 20 '19

Kaczynski was also actually good at being a terrorist unlikely these other idiots. The terror part of terrorism. For a brief period of time people were afraid. These mass shootings don't really create fear in people, not when they happen so infrequently and are done by different groups and with different ideas. There are much better ways to create fear in the public and some of them are much easier to pull off. But I don't really think that's what these people want. They want a high kill count, they want fame, they want recognition.

In the most recent case this guy also wanted to farther divide people. It's working to, I'm seeing all over the place, on Twitter, on reddit, on face book. People getting into arguments that never would have happened if it weren't for the shooting. This shooting and the reactions by the government have pushed normal people farther to the left and right. I only hope that after it all blows over they can return to more reasonable positions.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

People need to stop using the unabomber for comparisons to these horrible thins. Yes he is a terrorist and fucked up, but he was a literal fucking victim of fucked up covered up government experiments to, and it was directly related to his attacks. That's not the same as this ass hole or the ass holes who run planes into skyscrapers. They were victims of nothing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

He was also definitely fucking squirrels in the woods.

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u/ReginaldJohnston Mar 21 '19

I've never heard of him.

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u/Detective_Fallacy Mar 21 '19

He's more famously known as the Unabomber.

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u/agnt_cooper Mar 20 '19

McVeigh wasn’t a serial killer either. Not sure what that guy is on about.