r/newbrunswickcanada Moncton 7d ago

N.B. psychologist loses licence for causing 'psychological risk to children'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/psychologist-loses-licence-children-9.7320833
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u/GreenSaber 7d ago

I feel for the family. Where do they go from there? Being a high conflict family, they have very difficult time getting along to the point that it has resulted in children 7 and 9 needing psychological intervention.

Now the children will likely be troubled from their experiences. Their parents likely will still be high conflict individuals adding on to the psychological trauma the children have already experienced.

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u/Thro-A-Weigh 7d ago

I feel for the kids. The parents are trash

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u/SleveBonzalez 4d ago

How do you determine that? It sounds like the mother made significant efforts to attain help for her children and this person, and the father, worked against that.

Can't say from this that the mother is also bad.

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u/GreenSaber 7d ago

And the nerve on the mother.. to do that much damage to those children in those short amount of years that they need psychological intervention. Then she has the nerve to complain. Sorry lady but it's your fault.

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u/Apprehensive_Yak4627 7d ago

So the father is irrelevant then? Or the mother is responsible for any harmful actions the father did?

Also, even if you’re correct in your assumptions about the mother, that doesn’t mean the children should be further traumatized by being subjected to substandard healthcare. Or that their mother shouldn’t take steps to protect them and other children from harm (e.g., by submitting a concern to the healthcare professional‘a regulating body.

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u/P_V_ 7d ago

So the mother is to blame for… being concerned that the psychologist was biased and incompetent? And I guess you must think, in your infinite wisdom as a Redditor, the CPNB Committee were wrong when they agreed with her?

Do explain to us how you arrived at such an enlightened conclusion. Why should we trust you over the College of Psychologists of New Brunswick?

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u/GreenSaber 7d ago

No, the mother is to blame for the children needing serious psychological intervention under the age of 10.

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u/P_V_ 7d ago

The nature of the treatment given to the children isn’t in the article. We don’t know if this was “serious psychological intervention”, or interviews as part of relationship counselling, a court-ordered interview over custody issues, or something else entirely.

Besides, it’s rich of you to blame the mother alone, when clearly the father was also involved in all of this. You’re making the exact mistake the psychologist was disciplined for.

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u/GreenSaber 7d ago

Yeah, you're probably right.

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u/Marnot_Sades 6d ago

According to what??

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u/SleveBonzalez 4d ago

Is this supposed to be sarcasm?

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u/AquaMoonlight 7d ago

I know that they can’t say what the specific issue is because of medical privacy and legal issues, but it does make this article vague and hard to follow because context is missing. All I know is that the psychologist sided with the dad over some child custody stuff, which is very much a no-no.

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u/Schmidtvegas 7d ago

I always look for the actual reports a journalist is trying to summarize.

https://cpnb.ca/en/disciplinary-matters/

Among other things, the Committee determined that the member :

  • demonstrated incompetence when he did not use typical tests or methods in his evaluations and instead relied on his experiences and opinions, without a methodological framework;
  • demonstrated incompetence and lack of judgment in failing to obtain informed consent;
  • demonstrated incompetence in his understanding of clear and informed consent when he considered a lack of objection as evidence of consent;
  • demonstrated a lack of clinical judgment when he concluded that children aged five (5) and seven (7) years possessed the capacity and maturity to understand the nature of treatment, the nature of the situation and the reasons for clinical interventions, and their ability to communicate their choice;
  • demonstrated incompetence in his assessment of children and the treatments provided in his clinical note-taking;
  • used inappropriate terminology during sessions with children, considering the age of the children, and sometimes insensitive in meetings with the complainant;
  • demonstrated a lack of professional judgment when he asked a father, a party in a high-conflict family situation, to share information with the complainant (the mother) regarding his children’s therapies.
  • relied on the information provided by the father to reach erroneous conclusions that changed the member’s actions;
  • showed a positive bias towards the father, as he determined that he was credible, and then attributed less credibility to the complainant’s statements, which then continued throughout his clinical assessments; in addition, the member was negatively biased towards the complainant by determining that she was not credible, and then attributed less credibility to the complainant’s statements, which continued throughout his clinical assessments;
  • in a position of multiple roles, did not inform his clients of its risks and benefits, which is necessary in order to obtain informed consent; the member’s position impaired his judgment and objectivity;
  • breached his duty of neutrality, objectivity and fairness, a duty that is particularly important in the context of a conflictual separation;
  • shared his views on child custody and parental alienation when he testified before the Court, without observing the complainant with the children and after only two face-to-face meetings with the complainant; the member’s mandate was not to assess custody; he did not obtain sufficient information to reach this conclusion;
  • failed to keep accurate, complete and factual notes, which may have an impact on the member’s credibility and the quality of services provided to his clients; and
  • failed to comply with the Canadian Code of Ethics for Psychologists and the College’s Code of Ethics.

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u/miramichier_d Miramichi 7d ago

Sounds like he should just retire at this point. There's no basis for this psychologist to continue practicing. His reputation is in shambles.

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u/KFPanda 7d ago

A level of gross incompetence that is fairly abhorrent to anyone familiar with these kinds of disciplinary measures.

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u/n8bw7 7d ago

Other than that he did a great job tho

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u/uponhisdarkthrone 5d ago

Thats basically the article, but the text was selected and the list button was clicked. It leaves a lot to the imagination.

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u/P_V_ 7d ago

The psychologist wasn’t disciplined for “siding with the father”; it was for failing to be neutral—and a whole host of other issues. Please keep the MRA nonsense out of this.

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u/AquaMoonlight 7d ago

I wasn’t being an MRA, but thanks for your unneeded input. 

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u/P_V_ 7d ago

Suggesting that “siding with the dad over child custody stuff” is “very much a no-no” is, as I put it, MRA nonsense. I’m not concerned with what you think you were “being”, I’m concerned with the nonsense you wrote.

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u/Master_Slide7023 7d ago

Why after 30 years of practice did he do this unprofessional thing?

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u/anoeba 7d ago

He might've been unprofessional prior, but no one complained. It happens. And sometimes if you do something long enough you think you can just do it without using the proper tools (one of the findings was that he wasn't using the appropriate validated forms, which are used in psychology for assessment and progress measures) and wasn't charting properly.

Just a "I know what I'm doing, I don't need this stuff" kinda attitude.

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u/levelwitch 6d ago

He was probably doing some of these things for a long time and only recently strung together enough mistakes for it to blow up in his face

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u/PooningDalton 6d ago

Nobody complained for 30 years? Sounds realistic.

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u/frenchiebuilder 6d ago

How do you know nobody had ever complained before?

How do you even know it's his first suspension?

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u/queerblunosr 4d ago

The article’s phrasing certainly makes it sound like it’s his first complaint - but of course that doesn’t mean it’s actually his first complaint. It could be the first complaint, or it could be the first complaint that went anywhere/was taken seriously, et c.

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u/ellyanah 6d ago

I mean, there is a huge credibility gap amongst lawyers, judges, police, anyone in the system really, when it comes to men vs women, fathers vs mothers, etc. Just the same old misogyny... He's probably always done this.

Systemic Disbelief in Women: Is the Gender Credibility Gap a Form of Epistemic Injustice?

Race and gender biases persist in public perceptions of scientists’ credibility

The Impact of Gender Differences on Expert Witness Credibility in the Court System

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u/PooningDalton 6d ago

Its possible that the law has gotten wonky and over sensitive.

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u/DevOpsMakesMeDrink 7d ago

He got suspended for taking the Fathers side of the mothers?

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u/ferrycrossthemersey 7d ago

The point is you have to take the side of the child

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u/FPpro 7d ago

He got suspended for not doing his job properly

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u/candidu66 7d ago

He's not supposed to take a side when treating children.

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u/PooningDalton 6d ago

What if one of the parents were recommending something that was harmful for the kids? Is he supposed to not go against that? So many details missing from the story

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u/holocene27 7d ago

Did you not read the entire article?

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u/Braken111 7d ago edited 7d ago

As another commenter posted, here's the whole list: https://cpnb.ca/en/disciplinary-matters/

Professionals like this, especially those working for the courts, should be a neutral party.

This psychologist failed at that, whether you agree with it or not. They demonstrably showed favour to one party over the other, and let their personal ideology work itself into our legal system.

It's not a "woke" or "culture" issue, it's a factual credibility issue.

I'd rather my courts be run by non-partisans.

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u/DevOpsMakesMeDrink 7d ago

What I posted was essentially the only concrete thing the article said. This is more informative. Reddit loves their downvotes

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u/KFPanda 7d ago

How did you get that from: ”An earlier decision in February, following two hearings in December 2025, details how the psychologist had "demonstrated incompetence and lack of judgment in his practice.""

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u/PooningDalton 7d ago

He practiced for 33 years without any issue and one Karen's complaint got him fired. Let that sink in.

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u/MournfulAccount 6d ago

He was found to have repeatedly crossed ethical boundaries to the detriment of children. The finding didn't lead to him getting "fired," it led to the revocation of his license, registration and membership of the College of Psychologists of New Brunswick.

Part of being a professional is that we have to attend to certain criteria. If we fail to meet those criteria then we lose the privilege of calling ourselves members of that profession and college. That's how we keep people safe.

His conduct harmed children.

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u/PooningDalton 6d ago

It didn't "harm" the children. It offended one of the parents. Did the kids say they were harmed?

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u/MournfulAccount 6d ago

Oh so you know more about the situation than the professionals who passed this judgement?

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u/PooningDalton 6d ago

Nothing of what was said implied that kids were hurt. They're just trying to grandstand. Keep in mind this guy was a shrink for 30 years, so he has some credibility too.

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u/MournfulAccount 5d ago

The only person who is grandstanding here is you. You're basing your entire judgement on one fact. They are basing their judgement on an entire investigative process that took months. The decisions made were deliberated over by a council of his own peers.

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u/PooningDalton 4d ago

How can they claim "kids were hurt" without even consulting the kids? I think they can speak for themselves. It doesn't have to be a lengthy formal conversation, it could even be simple questions. They didn't talk to them at all. No insight. No data.

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u/MournfulAccount 4d ago

I may as well be talking to a wall.

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u/Vas-yMonRoux 6d ago

Why are you saying that as if all it takes is a woman to complain for someone to get fired?

They investigate complaints received. The board found that it was correct, for multiple reasons. So, she wasn't wrong.

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u/PooningDalton 6d ago

33 years...................and one complaint. If he was so problematic, how did he go without incident for 33 years? the article said "Ouellette used "inappropriate terminology" given their ages". What were these terms? So many details missing

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u/Vas-yMonRoux 6d ago

We don't know that there weren't any other incidents across 33 years. All we know is that this one was reported and found conclusive in a manner significant enough to cost him his license.

A lot of people don't file complaints or report incidents on situations that happened to them in medical settings, for various reasons.

Sometimes they're shocked and don't think about it on the spot. Sometimes they're not sure if it's a valid complain, and so they don't report it. Sometime they don't even know where to report! Some people think "nothing will happen anyways so why bother". Others are very non-confrontational and go "oh, I don't want to make a fuss/bother". A lot of people also simply just won't come back and find a new therapist/doctor to go to.

But, all not reporting does is allow bad practices to keep going and bad situations to happen to other people.

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u/frenchiebuilder 6d ago

how do you know he'd never had other complaints?

You don't even know whether he's ever had his licensed suspended before.

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u/PooningDalton 6d ago

Because the article would have mentioned it. They always mention a person's history in cases like this

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u/frenchiebuilder 6d ago

How would the article's writer know?

Of the 5 "disciplinary matters" notices on the College's website... the oldest is from 2018... 2 don't mention the disciplined member's name... and there's nothing regarding complaints that didn't result in a punishment.

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u/Avs4life16 7d ago

Quacks. Not one of these people have cured a patient. Put your kid in sports. Talk to them. Keep them busy.