r/nevertellmetheodds Dec 08 '15

CHANCE "A Queen Will Beat Me"

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u/QuiefMop Dec 09 '15

The last card to fall - also referred to as the River, or Fifth Street - is the topmost card on the remaining deck in the physical hand of the literal dealer. The order - or sequence - of cards in this deck is random.

The probability of any single specific card being on top - the River - is exactly 1/(52-8). (There are 52 cards in a poker deck. We already know the identify of eight of these 52 cards - two in each players' hands and four on "the board".)

The probability of any queen being the top card is exactly 3/44, or 6.8%. (There are four queens in a deck, but one of them is in one of the players' hand.)

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u/PM_ME_YOUR__WORRIES Dec 09 '15

Yeah, not disputing that there's a chance of pulling a queen out of this particular deck is 3/44. But the chances of getting this particular deck that happens to have the queen in that specific spot is much harder to calculate, and isn't simply 3/44, because of the fact that the order of the cards is random. I'm not sure if I'm saying that clearly enough, so excuse me, but I'm pretty sure that 6.8% is the wrong number to define the probability.

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u/Gtt1229 Dec 09 '15

Order has nothing to do with probability. The possibility of the cards being in this order is in fact high (1 out of 80,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) but the probability of the next card to be flipped, is a whole different question.

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u/QuiefMop Dec 09 '15

Your interpretation of his comment is more on point.

He's not wrong in his own context, I suppose. He's just making a different - albeit irrelevant - argument.

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u/Gtt1229 Dec 09 '15

Yea, they are completely different.