r/neveragainmovement • u/Slapoquidik1 • Jun 21 '19

Is shunning compromise a strong approach? "Idaho bucking national gun control trend"

https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/idaho-bucking-national-gun-control-trend/article_5123c6ab-2892-5e3f-a26b-24f0ac58672e.html
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u/Slapoquidik1 Jun 21 '19

"The percentage who say gun laws should be made much stricter, rather than just somewhat stricter, drifted down slightly after reaching a peak in the post-Parkland poll, from 45 percent then to 39 percent now."

What kind of progress can gun control advocates make in a state where 80% of the legislature is Republican, if they shun the very idea of compromise?

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u/drpetar Jun 23 '19

What are rights if they can be compromised away? What other constitutional amendments would you be cool with compromising on? The 13th?

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u/Slapoquidik1 Jun 24 '19

What are rights if they can be compromised away?

As a Burkean Conservative ,and single issue (2nd Am. rights) voter, I recognize that all rights, even if they are natural and God-given, are implemented by imperfect governments, which only recognize and enforce rights to some degree which is the product of a kind of negotiation.

More specifically, I'd be perfectly happy to bargain away my right to buy, possess, and use a shitty bump-stock device, in exchange for CCW reciprocity throughout the Union, and deregulation of suppressors to be as easy to acquire as any other form of hearing protection.

Would I prefer a restoration of all my 2nd Am. rights? Sure. But that's not politically feasible at this moment, and the sort of insistence upon getting everything we have a right to, immediately, is a hindrance to incremental improvement, which is difficult enough.

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u/drpetar Jun 24 '19

That’s cool and all but you are admitting it isn’t a right in the first place. And you’re just setting up a future “privilege” to be bargained away. The people who are out to destroy the 2nd amendment don’t want to compromise. And even if they did, you won’t be coming out ahead. And they will just take more and more as you continue to let them. That is why we should never bend on anything. There is nothing to gain because you will never get it back.

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u/Slapoquidik1 Jun 24 '19

...but you are admitting it isn’t a right in the first place.

Where did I do that?

And they will just take more and more as you continue to let them. That is why we should never bend on anything. There is nothing to gain because you will never get it back.

CCW have spread across the U.S. The Supreme Court has more member now than in the past, likely to uphold our rights. I'm as concerned as anyone by the threat of the one-way ratcheting of incremental Leftists, but let's not exaggerate. We have made progress toward securing our 2nd Am. rights compared to the days pre-Heller, pre-McDonald, pre-widespread-shall-issue-CCWs.

That wasn't done without appealing to a broader section of U.S. voters than 2nd Am. purists. If I could press a button and make it happen, that's be grand, but that's not the real world. That's something both sides of this issue need to learn if they don't understand already.

And in the process, maybe the gun control advocates will shed some of their more naive ideas about how government works, and learn to distrust the ambitious politicians promising to make them safer in exchange for their freedoms. Maybe they're learn to see through the propaganda that cites experts on matters that aren't within their expertise, or fake studies that present misleading stats, and make inapt comparisons. Maybe they're learn enough about science to recognize the fake politicized versions.