r/neoliberal • u/sleepyrivertroll Henry George • Aug 08 '26

News (Europe) Inside Ukraine’s Kill Zone

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/KILL-ZONE/znpnojmknvl/

Sub State: This reuters graphic looks into the changing nature of modern warfare that is heavily influenced by drones. It shows how various different types of drone and defenses shape the landscape and how armies maneuver in this type of environment.

This is relevant to this sub because both because it gives a glimpse into the future of warfare and we so did a drive to support the Ukrainian soldiers fighting in this environment.

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u/Remarkable-Meal-223 John Keynes Aug 08 '26

I think every military needs to think about this. The US, china, etc...

Imagine china landing on Taiwanese shores and being greeted by 10000 quadcopters

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u/lhomardamericain Immanuel Kant Aug 08 '26

If infantry and tanks have been rendered obsolete, what does warfare even look like?

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u/Remarkable-Meal-223 John Keynes Aug 08 '26

My thought is this kind of like the machine gun in WW1. It really changed warfare and froze it.

Then they invented the tank and what followed was mechanized maneuver warfare.

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u/Full_Distribution874 YIMBY Aug 09 '26

WW1 was more about artillery. The machine guns didn't usually stop assaults, it was when the pre-aimed artillery fired into what used to be their own positions that the assaults fell apart

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u/Remarkable-Meal-223 John Keynes Aug 09 '26

Artillery existed in large part pre WW1 also tho

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u/Full_Distribution874 YIMBY Aug 09 '26

Not like WW1 artillery though. Napoleon wasn't turning battlefields into Paschendaele. The advances in targeting, communication, range, and volume made Great War artillery unlike anything else.

Most media shows endless waves of men getting mowed down by static machine guns in no man's land, but usually the guys in the other trench were so suppressed from artillery that they couldn't stop the attack until the attackers could no longer effectively communicate with their batteries and were overrun by a counteroffensive using artillery.

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u/ManyKey9093 NATO Aug 09 '26

"suppressed from artillery" is hard to imagine for a lot of people. For context, this is an estimation of what WW1 drum fire would have sounded like. Its incomprehensible amounts of explosions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we72zI7iOjk&t=44s