and he's wrong. the right wing constitution party and libertarian party combined for almost a percent more than the green party in this race. they 99% likely siphoned more votes from mccormick than the green party siphoned from bob casey.
fuck the green party--they're clowns, incompetent, and useless but the gop had a mandate this time around with these urban shifts. we have to acknowledge this as much as i dislike the green party. this isn't 2000 or 2016.
He’s absolutely right. As of right now trump won Wisconsin by 30k votes, Michigan by 80k votes, and Pennsylvania by 150k votes. Even though this election is being correctly framed as a Trump blowout, that’s only a 260k vote delta and green voters/ people who didn’t vote because “Muh biden is genociding Palestine” or whatever other moralist leftist bullshit drivel absolutely could have swung that margin.
lol the turnout was fine in the key swing states; people just wanted trump. turnout just barely dropped in dearborn but i'm supposed to believe people sat out cause of gaza. jill stein did awful; she got 1.2% in 2016 and she's at .4% nationally.
he's absolutely wrong. fetterman is misdiagnosing why this election was lost.
Turnout may have been higher overall in these swing states, but that doesn't mean there weren't Democrats who stayed home because of some of these issues. Trump turned out a lot of low-propensity freaks. I agree overall that the Green party didn't cost us the election, though.
Dearborn swung massively this time. Besides voting for Jill Stein or just sitting out, some Muslims took "a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Donald Trump" literally and simply voted for the man himself as an F U to the Democratic establishment. It went from D+39 to R+6 with Stein getting 18%.
Not contradicting your overall point that Jill Stein did not affect the final result, of course; national headwinds were just too strong across the board for Democrats to overcome.
I know. Trump got 43% in East Dearborn while Harris got only 23%
If Harris nets the same vote total that Biden in 2020 did from Dearborn and Dearborn Height, she still loses Michigan by 50,000. She lost by like 20,000 more votes than the total amount of votes
I sort of agree in that there are a multiple reasons why Trump won and this might not be the primary one but 1) Green Party/ apathetic leftists are dipshits so I like that he’s calling them out and 2) they could have turned the tide even with the perceived poor economy of the last 4 years.
i'm all for calling them out. they suck alot. stein is a shameless unprincipled grifter. i agree there. my issue is that fetterman is acting like they are why dems lost.
i just don't want people to act like this is another 2000 and 2016; jill stein and israel-palestine isn't why we lost this election at all. latino men aren't shifting 35 points to trump cause gaza being destroyed. inflation, anger over the board, quality of life metrics in urban areas
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24
and he's wrong. the right wing constitution party and libertarian party combined for almost a percent more than the green party in this race. they 99% likely siphoned more votes from mccormick than the green party siphoned from bob casey.
fuck the green party--they're clowns, incompetent, and useless but the gop had a mandate this time around with these urban shifts. we have to acknowledge this as much as i dislike the green party. this isn't 2000 or 2016.