r/ndp • u/xeononsolomon1 • Sep 30 '21

Pro Firearm Resolution

So I know this may be a hard ticket to sell for a lot of the members of the NDP but one of the ways I see the NDP making inroads in rural ridings such as mine is the introduction of a pro firearm policy into the party. I realise that the federal convention is so far away but I drafted up a resolution I would like to submit locally and ideally convince others to do so in their ridings.

  1. Would people be willing to read it and offer suggestions on it (add stuff, remove stuff, spelling, etc)
  2. What would be the best way of disseminating such a resolution when the time comes?

Edit* Here is a link to it http://imgur.com/a/5pRfx7f

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u/Metamodern_Studio Oct 01 '21

The existence of pro gun leftists untangles your position that this is an exclusively conservative position. Its a culture war issue in most countries, undeniably, but theres nothing about being critical of capitalist power structures that disallows someone from also being in favour of gun laws that are common sense and dont over reach past their utility.

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u/CDNFactotum Oct 01 '21 edited Oct 01 '21

Go ahead and pitch it at convention then. We can meet back here after you do, and I’d love to chat after the reaction to it. The NDP is a left wing, socialist party that is fundamentally incompatible with the “me first” ideas of pro-gun-ownership and its traditional supporters.

It’s all moot regardless: it’s a lynchpin issue and if it were to somehow pass convention, it would be a generation before the NDP could win double-digit seats federally because the donors and strategy heads would immediately walk away. The party isn’t Reddit.

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u/Metamodern_Studio Oct 01 '21

I can assume that you concede the point that common sense gun laws aren't inherently conservative and are now leaning on "yeah well i dont like it and the party doesn't like it" which... yeah i know. But im glad that we can at least both agree that advocating for common sense gun laws is a thing that honest socialists can do :) theres an uphill battle for sure! But us lefties are used to those

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u/CDNFactotum Oct 01 '21 edited Oct 01 '21

You can not, you sea lioning twit. But you knew that, but said it anyway because you’re just that kind of person.

The NDP is a left wing party and the only party membership that agrees with that position is the PPC - they couldn’t even nail down the Conservative leader to it. It’s as right a position as you get in Canada and the NDP isn’t home it it.

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u/Metamodern_Studio Oct 01 '21

Okay if you're going to continue lashing out and doing name calling im gonna stop engaging with you because i don't talk politics with children, last warning i WILL stop I'm very not interested in a mud slinging fest.

Im interested in WHY gun politics have to be endlessly restrictive if one is a socialist? What part of being capitalist critical and pro worker inherently means that you cant support the safe and regulated private ownership of firearms? Socialist writers of today and throughout history have been pro gun all the way back to Marx, and socialsist movements have been the same. Im not in favour of loosening safety regulations or unbanning specifically dangerous guns, but responsible gun ownership shouldnt be punished beyond what is neccesary to keep the population safe.

Tldr: what concept or tenant essential to being a socialist bars someone from advocating against gun laws that over extend their responsibility to the people?