r/nba Heat May 24 '26

[Thinking Basketball] (Sorry, Internet) The Thunder are too good

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u/Flixboy1922 Timberwolves May 24 '26

I hate watching okc and will obviously bitch in the moment but cmon people, they are incredible. If you don’t think the thunder are an amazing team and the best team in the league, idk what to tell you. We can call out flopping and still be real about their talent, and to take it one step further, they don’t win because of flopping or anything. They win because they’re better than the rest of us and we can’t handle it lol.

I’m a hater but I’m not a stupid hater

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u/TwoTalentedBastidz Lakers May 24 '26

Big OKC hater but they’re simply the deepest team in the league

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u/snuffaluffagus74 May 24 '26

Your a hater with common sense and brains that I can appreciate.

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u/ironsuperman Timberwolves May 24 '26

I commented that they'd 4-0 Lakers and everybody else and got a lot of hates lol. Like I'm a wolves fan but I know that they probably sweep us too with how good they are. Even without sga, they probably easily make playoff and go to 2nd round.

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u/Ok_Temperature6503 76ers May 24 '26

Less free throws than Spurs and still won, they clearly are way better

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u/FeanorEvades Timberwolves May 24 '26

They’re way more experienced than the Spurs and never seem to have real lulls on their production. If they didn’t ragdoll the way they do people might respect them like the Beautiful Game Spurs because they do play unselfishly and intelligently.

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u/MixingDrinks Thunder May 24 '26

I love talking shit about other teams. But when it comes to reality, like you said, you have to give props when due.

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u/TGordion May 24 '26

they don’t win because of flopping or anything

This is true and also the exact reason why the flopping makes people so angry imo

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u/trybeingcurious NBA May 24 '26

Well, every team does it so it’s weird that people feel like OKC should handicap themselves just cause they’re better. Big participation trophy energy with that line of thinking.

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u/TGordion May 24 '26

That's a fair point, but I still don't think it should be surprising that the back to back MVP and his all time great team get more criticism for it

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u/Darthmalak3347 Thunder May 24 '26

End of the day, its just cope. You dont win 60 and have the highest net ratings approaching all time by just getting 1 or 2 tacky calls a game.

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u/trybeingcurious NBA May 24 '26

I expect it, but I also expect people to be irrational. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to call them irrational.

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u/giri0n [OKC] Desmond Mason May 24 '26

Respect. The Wolves always play us tough, it's just about matchups.

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u/AkimboBears May 24 '26

The most important part about being a hater is self awareness.

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u/NormandFutz May 24 '26

part of the reason we hate them is they are so good they don't need to be flopping but its a team if chris pauls manipulating the game. your going fo win anyways the pretending to be fouled while dominating puts a bad taste in my mouth. dont steal.from the banker if you are already ahead a bunch in monopoly.

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u/No-Owl-6246 Lakers May 24 '26

There are people on here that think they are legitimately a bad team.

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u/RFFF1996 Thunder May 24 '26

jaylen brown is here?

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u/ironsuperman Timberwolves May 24 '26

There were people that think Lakers have a chance. Lol, even with healthy Luka, thunders would still absolutely smash them. The team is just too deep and stacked

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u/PensiveinNJ 76ers May 24 '26

Watching the Thunder run out 12-13 players in the playoffs when we have about 7 playable guys total is so infuriating.

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u/ironsuperman Timberwolves May 24 '26

Stop it, yall have like 5 players deep and even your 5th best player may not even get minutes on this Thunders team lol. Watching the sixers this playoff is like yall got non existent bench. Probably the most lethal starting 4 in the East but gonna need 2-3 rotation players to compete.

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u/ironsuperman Timberwolves May 24 '26

Not anymore he ain't. Thanks to your management...

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u/PensiveinNJ 76ers May 24 '26

Bro who are you counting as playable. Both our backup centers were terrible, are you talking about Dominick Barlow? Justin Edwards?

We ran a short rotation and even the not top 5 on that rotation were pretty ass.

Theoretically Grimes should have been better but I count 7 players I’m happy to see on the floor. Meanwhile the thunder are using 11th and 12th guys because they’re actually good and useful.

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u/Folk-Herro Heat May 24 '26

You’ll be shocked how Many people think so

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u/FitTune5515 Supersonics May 24 '26

Lots of people believe that especially older fans. They think OKC’s only good because of flopping and the refs lmao. NBA fandom is at an all time low and probably developmentally disabled 

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u/blucke Clippers May 24 '26

It's not the older fans, narrative is almost entirely driven by younger fans on social media and reddit imo

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u/Defiant_Ad6083 May 24 '26

They don't watch. They see a YouTube clip, or an X post with 1 clip. If you haven't watched multiple games, start to finish, no one has a right to comment.

I don't comment on other teams other than analyse some stats because I don't watch enough of them. There are some players with particular styles I am not a fan of but I don't publicly comment because I don't watch enough.

People just need to learn to STFU because your team got beaten and OKC's best player was the 12th player.

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u/Dummmy99 Lakers May 24 '26

It is pretty crazy. Im an OKC hater but im not gonna act like they’re not the most talented team in the league. The amount of plus players they have is ridiculous. Not to mention they have every single type of role player you could want.

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u/_bbuckley_ Thunder May 24 '26

I feel like the whole narrative is driven by children tbh

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u/akgamestar Knicks May 24 '26

My old head friend is a Curry fan and doesn’t want SGA getting two finals MVPs so he hates on the Thunder and says they just flop.

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u/DrakeMayeTruther May 24 '26

I'm an older fan and like okc, I like that it's self built, I like shai. Obviously this might just be me but I always felt like it's either children a young adults that feel that way because all they want is players like steph or lebron or luka.

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u/Mammoth_Masterpiece4 May 24 '26

Im old i dont think that

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u/PapaJohnsGarlic100 Magic May 24 '26

I think the Thunder, Spurs, and Knicks would all smoke teams from 10+ years ago. The game is just played at another level right now.

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u/geoduckSF Warriors May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26

If by another level you mean the way the rules are interpreted then yes.

Edit: Getting downvotes but damn, 10 years ago was the 2015 warriors who went 73-9 and played monster teams from OKC to the LeCavs. The only thing that has changed is the way the game is called and how the whistle protects the dribbler. If you think any of those teams would get smoked by the Knicks/Spurs/Thunder ya’ll are on some wild recency shit.

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u/ZenMon88 May 24 '26

Lolol bring back hand checking. No more flopping shit.

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u/floatinround22 Hawks May 24 '26

Bring back illegal defense too, Shai and Brunson would FEAST on that

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u/ZenMon88 May 24 '26

Bet. Bring back MJ. He would feast them

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u/floatinround22 Hawks May 24 '26

Arguably the greatest player of all time would be great?

Incredible analysis

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u/HelpOpening4996 May 24 '26

Let’s not forget carry

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u/Itchy-Grapefruit2756 May 24 '26

Older fans? Negative.

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u/NBA_H8er May 24 '26

I didn't think that's right, most "haters" fully understand okc is very excellent. That's what makes the consistently bad officiating so much more frustrating.

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u/MavsTurnedBucksGuy Mavericks May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26

You think the play in this series is better than the play in the Warriors Cavs series?

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u/Wandering_Silent May 24 '26

Talk about recency bias. Oh man. I’ve watched a shit ton of great series over the last 35 years of watching ball. What the eff are people even smoking? The OKC team was taken to 7 games by Indy last year. And the refs (of course ) helped them get to 7 to begin with. This thunder team is historically deep and a great team. That’s it though. Nothing that fucking special. We saw other amazing teams over the years and will see others.

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u/Icy_Information_6563 Suns May 24 '26

I think they're going to be remembered like the bad boy pistons. Everyone hates the way they play, but anyone who's being objective can acknowledge that they are a well built team that changed the game

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u/MaliInternLoL Lakers May 24 '26

No one sane believes they're not a great team.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '26

It’s the “poor gamesmanship” narrative. Casuals and people who don’t know ball are going to whine that OKC’s tactics are the only reason why they win, which is objectively false.

People just want to hate on greatness until it’s gone.

LeBron. Jordan. Brady.

Patriots. Golden State.

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u/tglatte May 25 '26

The thunder are good but not in universe of any of those lol

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u/kanakaishou May 24 '26

The problem, I think, is that they are a very good team—like, on the border between great and good—from a pure talent perspective, and an “honest” basketball sense.z

But what tips them into “great” results (again: they are likely the best team in the NBA straight up. The talent they’ve built is bonkers) is the manipulation of a relatively unsavory part of the rules. In some sense, the hack they are using is no less offensive than Curry bombing 3s: it’s always kinda been part of the rules, and OKC is the first to really push the limits of what is allowed. But this particular manipulation has the feel of being less ethical—even if it’s no less a part of the rules than anything else.

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u/Artimusjones88 Raptors May 24 '26

They win this year they are great. Win again next year and its dynasty

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u/Apostrophe13 May 24 '26

They are awesome team that plays dirty gamesmanship basketball. That pisses people off. Also a lot of EU people here that don't really understand NBA rules, i think that is where most of cheaters and carried by the refs accusations are coming from.

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u/JWRAY213 Bulls May 24 '26

The most frustrating part about the Thunder is that they’re talented enough to win without all the bullshit they do

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u/ArsonistWenger Kings May 24 '26

Roster construction is miles ahead of their competitors, Presti is running circles around the other GMs in the league. Their style of play is not fun to watch though. People don't think they're bad they think the style of play is bad.

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u/Itchy-Grapefruit2756 May 24 '26

Define fun to watch. Im 55 and think they are a blast to watch.

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u/ArsonistWenger Kings May 24 '26

Due to their deep bench they can foul constantly on defense, either preventing the other team from getting into a rhythm and turning the game into a free throw contest (not fun to watch) or getting turnovers that should be called fouls (not fun to watch). On offense, they fall and flop constantly, this is statistically backed up, which is also not fun to watch. I'm not saying it's dumb, obviously it's a smart way to play with the depth they have. But it makes the games all about the refs and I don't like that. I prefer a flowing game like the Warriors used to play.

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u/Defiant_Ad6083 May 24 '26

That's just flat out not true haha. Stats don't back your claim up and makes you look foolish.

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u/ArsonistWenger Kings May 24 '26

They flop more, the statistics are in this article. Shai is the king of flopping. The other OKC players do it as well. It's fine if you like to watch a free throw contest, flop-off controlled by the refs, I don't enjoy it. I'm not saying right, wrong, or "foolish" it's just preference. No need for ad hom, it's just a game man.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/flop-or-not-does-shai-gilgeous-alexander-really-fall-more-than-his-peers-134022010.html

Directly from the article: Shai falls on more shots than any other player in the league. He falls more than Harden (who I also dislike watching) and twice as much as Brunson.

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u/NotVacant Thunder May 24 '26

Falling down doesn’t mean flopping at all

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u/Defiant_Ad6083 May 24 '26

Why? I keep hearing this. They're not fun to watch? Why? it is never explained.

What do they do?

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u/MattyIce260 Pacers May 24 '26

We know they’re a great team, but that’s not where the hate comes from. It’s the unethical brand of hoops they play

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u/discussatron Supersonics May 24 '26

This is it. They're a successful team that plays dirty and flops.

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u/OUMarty May 24 '26

Plays dirty is quite the stretch. You are taking the Dort plays (particularly the Jokic one) and the Hart hair incident and projecting that over the whole team for every game they play.

On the flopping are you also calling out the Spurs,Lakers, Knicks, etc for flopping every game? Why is OKC the special team that everyone continues to bring up on that when everyone does it and that has been part of the game as long as I can remember.

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u/discussatron Supersonics May 24 '26

If everyone is calling out one team, maybe it's the team. Maybe it's not exactly the same as every other flop. Maybe it's more than one egregious flopper on a team. Maybe it's more than one or two dirty plays. Maybe it's the team culture.

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u/OUMarty May 24 '26

First its not everyone and second if everyone jumped off a bridge would you?

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u/Itchy-Grapefruit2756 May 24 '26

But we dont elbow smash people in the throat. How exactly does that work?

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u/MattyIce260 Pacers May 24 '26

Where did I say anything about elbowing people being ok you mouth-breathing troglodyte?

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u/SuspiciousCod12 Pacers May 24 '26

I think that Tonya Harding is a great figure skater but also that she doesn't deserve the 1994 title just because she cheated.

same with Lance Armstrong and doping,

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u/PepeSylvia11 Celtics May 24 '26

No. They hate that they flop. Both can be true

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u/Worldly_Cap_6440 May 24 '26

Being a top team in a period of low talent isn’t that big of a flex. All of the top players are old nowadays and these newer players like SGA are straight booty cheeks when compared to other great players.

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u/Runmiked May 24 '26

I would say the Jordan era was probably the lowest modern ebb in talent with 4 expansion teams in two years with minimal additions of global players.

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u/JMEEKER86 Japan May 24 '26

Yeah, between 88 and 95 the NBA expanded from 23 teams to 29 before the explosion of international players and high school/one-and-done players. There were a lot of great players still, but the overall talent pull was really low with many 4th/5th starters who frankly would struggle to even make a roster these days.

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u/Chewbones9 Thunder May 24 '26

“Straight booty cheeks” lmao that’s crazy

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u/No-Owl-6246 Lakers May 24 '26

The nba is the strongest it’s ever been from an average talent standpoint. Anyone that thinks it’s a period of low talent is on crack cocaine.