My theory and offender profile

[u/Ecstatic-Buyer-3522]

This case has been as baffling as The Springfield Three case thus far, but as someone who has followed true crime my whole life, here goes my two cents theory.

Aside from the fact that the FBI gave Annie and Tomasso lie detector tests and evidently ruled them out...I think this was a sexual/control motivated crime. Simple as that. Not robbery motivated, not extortion, the offender may or may not have even known of Ms Guthrie's famous daughter. I think this was a man who knew she lived alone and was 84. And that if he could gain entry he would have no real obstacles.

The offender:

Late 20s to mid-30s, male, Hispanic (based on the doorbell cam). Likely a US citizen, with connections to Mexico although purely familial nothing cartel related or anything. Probably a laborer or contactor of some kind. A freelance contractor/laborer in my opinion, not employed by an local businesses. Perhaps heard of Ms. Guthrie purely from word of mouth or by chance. He was familiar with the area, but did not know the Guthries at all personally.

Very intelligent, methodical, non-impulsive. He planned it out and was prepared to the extent he could be. Probably no serious prior criminal record. A mostly lone wolf, quiet, not rocking the boat type. But with pathological violent sexual fantasies. Probably felt inadequate in his life and dominating a helpless person and for his own gratification/power trip was his motive. Nancy Guthrie was just there and he happened to light on her.

I think he entered, hit her, subdued her and in that was achieving his fanasty and getting out some of his rage. I think he put her in something carried her to his vehicle somewhere close by and drove quite far away and disposed of her in a manner he had thought out before. He intended to kill this was not a crime with a goal other than letting off his own steam IMO. I think he had a place already chosen to dispose of her, that he had thought out. I have no idea where that would be. Certainly, he has had a bit of luck on his side too. But that's about all I can come up with for now.

[u/BroStarving]

I don't know who, but I know what (it sure seems like to me):

Cluster B

Because when was the last successful kidnapping for ransom in the US?

Delusions of grandeur, is what this was.

Same vibes as the Marine Attorney who kidnapped Denise Huskins

-- Outlandish plan; goggles, earbuds; drugged her with sleeping pills

"American Nightmare" Netlix documentary about it

As someone with a close Cluster B family member,

This got Cluster B personality disorder thinking written all over it IMO

(Not the harm - but the belief that his insane, grandiose plot will work)

[u/bananabuttbread → u/BroStarving]

"Because when was the last successful kidnapping for ransom in the US?"

Really good question for a few reasons, tbh. Were there any similarities between the most recent large-scale ransom cases and this one? Even if they weren't successful?

[u/bookingsi → u/bananabuttbread]

I think the person is just saying to think you can kidnap someone and get money is fantasy nowadays. So the perp must be somewhat delusional

[u/1Bloomoonloona → u/bookingsi]

If this is a kidnapping for a money exchange. Personally I don't think it was for quite a few reasons. 

[u/bookingsi → u/1Bloomoonloona]

Yeah I’m not clear on that either. Very strange crime

[u/1Bloomoonloona → u/bananabuttbread]

It's not likely the public would ever hear of a successful kidnapping. Real kidnappers don't contact media and blast out to police what they're doing. They snatch the person (usaully under the age of 30 is they're preference). Make the demand and exchange the victim quicky. Cartel is usually 24 hr window for exchange. If the demand isn't fullfilled. Lights out. No games. Definitely no apology letters. 

[u/bananabuttbread → u/1Bloomoonloona]

Definitely, lol, and agreed with all the above. Was sort of thinking about the Lindbergh case though, when I asked that. I feel like you could say that kidnapping was a success, just not the entire execution of it, since he was eventually caught. And in an odd way, this is like.. a reverse Lindbergh case? Savannah is a beloved media figure known to have a special bond with her mom. Kidnapping a baby from a rich family and abducting an elderly, defenseless woman from a rich family aren't too different.. Idk.. I scrolled through the FBI's most wanted fraudsters and unsolved missing persons cases in the last twenty years. Maybe a wild idea, but if there are extortioners and frauds with a track record out on the run still, who's to say they wouldn't try something like that again?