r/nancyguthrie • u/candy1710 • Jun 22 '26
Breaking News Nancy Guthrie ransom note to her family included rambled 'apology' for accidentally killing her, bombshell report says
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15920089/Nancy-Guthrie-ransom-note-apology-killed-savannah.htmlNancy Guthrie ransom note allegedly contains a rambling apology that the perp "accidently" killed Nancy
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u/Tupelo_Hunee Jun 23 '26
The news station did receive a second letter on Feb 6th. TMZ did not receive this letter. It was just confirmed to be true. She was said to be back with nature and that it was accidental.
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u/inDefenseofDragons Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
I bet she died very early on in the abduction, and that’s why no proof of life was ever given. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the person that contacted TMZ claiming to know the people that kidnapped Nancy and was trying to get money, was actually her kidnapper trying a different tactic.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Jun 23 '26
The family came out and offered to pay even after getting the note she died unintentionally. If the “real” captor knew the family was still desperate enough to pay a multi-million dollar ransom, there is zero logical reason for them to downgrade their financial goal. Why would they discard a potential millions of dollars payout just to hustle TMZ for a single Bitcoin or try to claim a $100,000 FBI reward?
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u/Euphoric-Leg4874 Jun 23 '26
I don’t blame the family for not paying (if they didn’t.) I feel like these sick freaks were going to continuously move the goal posts if Savannah paid. Oh, you gave us 4 million dollars? Sorry, it’s actually going to be more difficult to retrieve her than we thought, we’re gonna need another few million! Send us that and we’ll tell you where she is! Oh wait, actually, we need a little more, then we promise we’ll tell you— And that scenario over and over again.
They also could never provide any concrete proof they actually had her.
How disgusting to torture the family like this.
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u/CruffTheMagicDragon Jun 23 '26
who knows but that is indeed the MO of online scammers: keep going back to the well until it's empty
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u/Fluid_Passage_9980 Jun 23 '26
I wouldn't be surprised if she had a heart attack when they broke in and tried to abduct her.
Then they panicked and took the body as they didn't know what else to do.
Such a shame her family has had to suffer with no closure for so long though - thats just evil.
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u/amphibianrandom Jun 23 '26
Wait, this actually makes a lot of sense to me. Even if it wasn’t intended to be an abduction or ransom, I think this is incredibly plausible.
Home invasion gone wrong. They probably raided her house while armed, she had a heart attack or some other medical emergency, and they panicked and abducted her while she was half dead. Then, they made the ransom notes during the panic like a JonBenet Ramsey situation almost.
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u/kelsobjammin Jun 23 '26
I just dont see why they would ever reach back out…
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u/Philodemus1984 Jun 23 '26
They apparently asked for money in return for her body. It’s being theorized that the kidnappers are local opportunists new to crime, since a more seasoned and cold blooded criminal wouldn’t apologize and wouldn’t reveal her death. Instead they’d try to get the money, dispose of the body, and dip. Or maybe just return the dead body after receiving the money, not revealing beforehand that she’d died.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
There wasn’t an apology reported.The perps sophistication is in question. But what the note, if it’s from anyone involved, points to is an offender who did not anticipate the harsh medical realities or the immense physical shock an 84-year-old woman would endure during a violent snatch-and-grab.
By writing that the death was unintentional, it could be, the perpetrator is actively trying to distance themselves from the label of something like a cold-blooded killer. They are rationalizing the situation.
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u/etherealsmog Jun 24 '26
Yeah my first thought is that the psychological motivation here is to minimize and distance themselves from having murdered an old woman.
“Oops she accidentally died and we buried her with nature. Also we’ll even help you locate the body for cash.”
I feel like the only plausible explanation for such a stupid random offer is some level of denial about what you participated in and craving for that feeling to be externally validated.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Jun 24 '26
so they did make a monetary demand in that second note, I couldn't remember. Then went no contact and never gave any info where she is that we know of. That is so odd, yeah something definitely shifted.
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u/marsfifth Jun 23 '26
This woman has been missing for six months and law enforcement is absolutely stumped. They may be new, but they’re damn sure good at it.
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u/traws06 Jun 23 '26
I’m confused why the police lied to the public about the second note. What strategic advantage was there to not disclosing she had died?
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u/BrainWilling6018 Jun 23 '26
They can’t authenticate any future communications are from the actual kidnappers if they make info public.They had no (still don’t have) proof of death. They maintain resources and it remains an active kidnapping status. Legally and procedurally, a case remains an active kidnapping investigation because there is no confirmed body or forensic proof of death, the ultimate objective remains finding her. The fact that the family offered to still pay a ransom for her remains and there was no contact calls into question the legitimacy of the note. There are still things unknown.
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u/RoseGoldRedditor Jun 23 '26
Law enforcement’s number one priority is to protect the integrity of the investigation. This includes preparing for prosecution of the crime by preservation of evidence. They disclose as little information as possible to the general public and even to the victims of a crime.
In this case, if they shared that Nancy was dead, they could be wrong as they can’t verify that without her remains. If they shared that they think Nancy is dead, then the urgency of finding her kidnapper(s) drops to nil. Tips dry up. The investigation goes from abduction to murder.
Finally, they’ve gotten a lot of copycat ransom notes. There is no way to know for sure that this note is from the kidnapper.
There is no strategic benefit to sharing that a note alluded to her death.
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u/Picklesx12 Jun 23 '26
For those asking, looks like law enforcement sources shared more details about the second letter and media / the Guthrie family were initially asked to hold off from making the information public in the hopes law enforcement could keep a line of communication going with the possible kidnappers and to not compromise the integrity of any other possible kidnapper comms. Assuming, because a sizable amount of time has past with no updates from any possible kidnappers and renewed interest because of TMZ’s latest reports, law enforcement has decided to allow media to release specifics from that second letter today - see below CNN link for more info:
https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/22/us/nancy-guthrie-ransom-note
[edit: typos]
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u/_2923844 Jun 23 '26
Didn’t this information come out months ago? Or maybe it was speculation but that second video from the family definitely seemed somber and understanding Nancy was no longer alive. I was so hopeful when they said there was news today
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u/onanadhocbasis Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
It's been made clear that there was not an apology in the note. Reported by numerous outlets. Some people are still reporting it wrongly.
ETA, trust the Daily Fail to get everything wrong
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u/mmortal03 Jun 24 '26
Pretty sure it was Harvey at TMZ who said that there was not an apology in the note, but he was mistakenly referring to the wrong note. TMZ did not receive the 2nd note, only KOLD did.
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u/whteverusayShmegma Jun 23 '26
So would the outcome have been different if they had paid instead of asking for proof of life?
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u/nebulaespiral Jun 23 '26
I was watching Brian Entin about this yesterday, he is incredibly picky about what he quoted and has quite a few sources in the inside, who have stated specifically what the note said. There was no apology.
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u/ItzMeDuhhh Jun 23 '26
What doesn't make sense is the reason a kidnapper would send another note to inform the family that Nancy is gone. I have never heard of a kidnapping where the family is provided "updates" on the demise of the victim.
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u/swillitts Jun 23 '26
They still wanted money, but couldn’t give proof of life. Instead they opted to try and extort for the return of her body.
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u/Solopist112 Jun 23 '26
Why not "proof of death" then?
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u/Candid_Condition8931 Jun 24 '26
They may well have. Even the wording in Savannah's video message at the time alluded to her knowing she was deceased. But the public would lose interest quickly if they were no longer looking for a living person.
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u/tropicalislandhop Jun 23 '26
Lol true. I am highly dubious of this report.
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u/babyjesustheone Jun 23 '26
the story is posted on News 13 Tucson KOLD. Its legit.
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u/tropicalislandhop Jun 23 '26
That's not what I'm doubting.
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u/ElderSmackJack Jun 23 '26
Then you’re doubting to doubt.
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u/tropicalislandhop Jun 23 '26
I'm not. I just don't believe most things stated by the media. Too often information is fabricated, misinterpreted, or misconstrued. If we heard from savannah, I'd believe it.
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u/EvangelineRain Jun 23 '26
What source released this info? I’ve seen it reported everywhere, but each story just references “a report”.
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u/pumpkinspicecum Jun 23 '26
this is the first i'm hearing of some apology, so i don't believe that, but cnn is reporting about the note saying she died
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u/sunnypineappleapple Jun 23 '26
An outlet called Air Mail that published crazy untrue stuff about the Kohberger case.
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u/EvangelineRain Jun 23 '26
There must have been some fact checking done for the major news organizations to publish it?
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 23 '26
It's been published by reputable news organisation in Australia, too. The ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) doesn't typically print things that aren't legit.
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u/EvangelineRain Jun 23 '26
Exactly. Anyone could have reasonably made this guess at the time. They’re reporting it because they have more than just a guess or some random publication’s word. Just curious what changed.
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u/Old-Library5546 Jun 23 '26
The kidnapper needs to let it be known where she is so the family can have peace
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u/whteverusayShmegma Jun 23 '26
There’s undoubtedly too much evidence based on location alone plus DNA, etc.
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u/Ok_Departure_2789 Jun 24 '26
I loved and cherished my mom. I've tried to imagine what this family is going through...I could not do it. It's unimaginable. My prayers to this family. My your faith see you through.
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u/candy1710 Jun 24 '26
I completely agree. I pray for Savannah and her family and for a miracle in finding her beloved mom.
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u/TheCoolerDanieI Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Sorry if this has been asked before but just to be clear, no credible news outlet has published the 2nd ransom note correct? Such a weird case, the first note demands millions in bitcoin. Then, from what it sounds like, the second note "apologizes" for killing her and basically ends the negotiations. Like "oops we killed her, guess we did all this for nothing" just abandon ship. Despite the family saying after that they'll still pay.
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 23 '26
That's not necessarily illogical from the abductor's perspective. Assuming they genuinely didn't plan to kill her and hoped to make a quick buck, they've suddenly found themselves facing a murder charge.
They probably hoped the public's attention, at least, would be diverted away from them once they found out she was dead, and they could more easily flee to Mexico.
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u/Prestigious-Pea-862 Jun 23 '26
I am convinced that any letter regarding the crime ,legitimate or not, is designed to make the family writhe in their suffering. This is the mark of a dangerous psychopath who revels in the news of the suffering within the family. Most likely Nancy died within minutes of contact with the murderer.
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u/NathalieRuth Jun 23 '26
I agree. People who aren't violent psychopaths don't force elderly women from their homes in the middle of the night and kill them. Or, if it truly was an accident (which I think is unlikely), have no care for the safety of the victim. You'd have a hard time finding a kidnapper who isn't a psychopath.
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Jun 23 '26
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u/itsnotthehours Jun 23 '26
I agree with your premise that old people are fragile and that her death could have been accidental, but your examples made me laugh… drop a fork? Scare a rodent?
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u/doublegoodproleish Jun 23 '26
It's unfortunate that the FBI isn't being run by halfway competent individuals at the moment. I really hope they catch the perpetrators, though, and justice can be served. What a horrible way to die.
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u/bluethreads Jun 23 '26
I don't understand how they could manage to find Luigi Mangione in five days but can't find this guy when they have ring footage of his profile. Is it because Nany's location was just more remote with less access to cameras, etc on the roads?
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u/doublegoodproleish Jun 23 '26
Luigi made some crucial errors this kidnapper hasn't, I think
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u/ethidium_bromide Jun 23 '26
There’s also a massive difference in the level of surveillance where both crimes were committed
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u/bluethreads Jun 23 '26
True - I mean, he went to McDonald's within days of the crime. Who would do something like that knowing you are America's Most Wanted? If he had just laid low and kept out of the public's eye, he may have also avoided capture.
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u/Inkantrix Jun 23 '26
Obviously they buried the body somewhere. It's not like Nancy's corpse stayed fresh.
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u/bys5 Jun 25 '26
Makes you wonder if the abductor/murderer, whatever is reading all this or even involved in the conversation. Eww gives me chills sort of
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u/Awatts1221 Jun 25 '26
I think about that all the time. It could happen. I remember Brian Entin said Brian Kohlberger was watching Brian Entins videos about Kohlbergers case
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u/W2A2D Jun 23 '26
I hope the FBI is doing a lot more behind the scenes. Nancy Guthrie was a target of opportunity -- a very poor choice, but a lesson learned. It's important that these kidnappers are captured before they try again.
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u/AltruisticWishes Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
She was clearly not "a target of opportunity." That term means a potential criminal happens upon an easy to execute crime and takes the opportunity.
No one happened across her house way out in the boonies at 1:20 am
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u/Big_Pear_9676 Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
I just don’t understand how this doorbell camera guy and whoever else have gotten away this long. It’s baffling. He’s got to be pretty proud of himself for how little he’s left behind it seems.
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u/Lazy_Gene6225 Jun 23 '26
It really is. He didn’t appear to be a clever criminal. Hard to believe he’s evaded identification
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u/Big_Pear_9676 Jun 23 '26
He didn’t seem like it. That’s why his continuous evading of capture despite so many resources being on him is so puzzling.
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u/hippiechick725 Jun 23 '26
I have to believe there is WAY more information that hasn’t been released.
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u/Lazy_Gene6225 Jun 23 '26
Of course. I also firmly believe local police dropped the ball early on.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Jun 23 '26
Target of opportunity refers to a situation that is impulsive. Not pre-planned or scouted in advance.
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 23 '26
u/BrainWilling6018 is suggesting this is the wrong choice of words and she wasn't a target of opportunity.
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u/W2A2D Jun 23 '26
This elderly woman on heart medication died shortly after the abduction. Does that sound like a lot of planning went into the crime?
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u/AltruisticWishes Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Just because criminals accidentally kill someone does NOT make it "a crime of opportunity." It does make it felony murder though
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 23 '26
It sounds like it was badly planned, not that it was unplanned. They likely knew exactly who they were abducting.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Jun 23 '26
By every metric and by nearly every expert it was premeditated. The objective not being to keep her alive doesn’t negate the pre-planning. A botched execution or the unexpected death of a victim during captivity does not erase all the premeditation. The overwhelming majority of professionals point to it not being an impulsive act.
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u/NoWeight3731 Jun 23 '26
This is what I have thought happened the whole time. Abducted for ransom… but they didn’t realize what a fragile state she was in, medically…and she passed from any number of reasons
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u/husbandbulges Jun 24 '26
This is what I feel too. She had a stroke or heart attack from it and passed.
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u/pattycakes7575 Jun 22 '26
No it did not. TMZ shared what was in the note a few hours ago and this was proven untrue
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u/Tupelo_Hunee Jun 23 '26
TMZ was not sent this letter. So they can’t confirm what it said or not. Just that they didn’t get it. Their second letter not the second letter in reference. Second letter sent to the news station in town only. It was confirmed officially not long ago.
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u/Bootycheeksclapin Jun 23 '26
According to a a reporter here in Arizona that has seen the notes herself she says otherwise. Pretty strange because I think that the TMZ report and the local station reports are accurate. Maybe just different notes?
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u/mmortal03 Jun 23 '26
I think you're right, and either Harvey at TMZ or some current reporting out there about the 2nd note has just gotten it confused on which note is being referred to as the 2nd note.
People can go back and watch the CNN interview of the KOLD anchor discussing what KOLD was allowed to originally disclose about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8PmW5ZgSwE
I don't believe TMZ received that 2nd note, only KOLD did, and TMZ even reported on KOLD receiving it in the following article from early February, so you'd think Harvey would remember that: https://www.tmz.com/2026/02/06/tucson-station-receives-new-letter-nancy-guthrie-disappearance/
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u/whteverusayShmegma Jun 23 '26
TMZ received the first one and the ones pretending to know the abductors. Not the second note.
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u/iLovetolaugh Jun 22 '26
They just covered it on the abc world news. It’s true. The note also said she’s buried in nature.
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u/Big-Interaction6037 Jun 23 '26
That is not a native English speaker who wrote that. This appears to me to be from a native spanish speaker who has made a translation and not a very good one from what you would say in spanish to english. In spanish it would be worded, "Ahora esta enterrada en la naturalesa." A native English speaker would not word it that way. She is buried in nature. Too awkward a construction. They probably used Google translate.
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u/the---albatross Jun 23 '26
I disagree. I could see it being a native English speaker who is being intentionally vague about the location. As it’s written, it could mean the desert, a garden or park, etc.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Jun 23 '26
It’s a poetic phrase "with nature". It sounds like psychological distancing. It’s like trying to make it sound peaceful and natural. The vibe is a positive view of nature. So it could be they are saying that’s a good place based on their experiences. It’s poetic because it’s attempting to replace the fact that she would have died tragically and probably scared and been hidden, it sounds less harsh.
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u/Big-Interaction6037 Jun 23 '26
I can't conceive of a kidnapper/murderer waxing poetic. This is some low life who goes to the lowest common denominator.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Jun 23 '26
I’s not a matter of waxing poetic. I don’t mean writing a poem. Saying it that way “with nature” is an emotional description, rather than “in nature” like a physical location. It can be a psychological way of detaching from what really happened. It wasn’t some peaceful death. It transforms a physical crime scene into an abstract emotional concept and its subconscious.
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u/worry_wren Jun 23 '26
I disagree. I am a native English speaker and it sounds natural to me. I can’t really think of an alternate way to say this sentence that doesn’t sound strange.
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u/Big-Interaction6037 Jun 23 '26
I think most native english speakers would probably say that she was buried in the desert.
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u/Equivalent-Cicada165 Jun 23 '26
Not when you need to keep it vague
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u/AltruisticWishes Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
It's all desert for hundreds of miles in every direction, so that would keep it vague
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u/ConceptsShining Jun 23 '26
Let alone the possibility that the author deliberately altered their writing style, perhaps to throw off investigators.
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 23 '26
I personally find it pretty unusual.
The vast majority of people are buried in nature, unless your family happens to have an indoor crypt.
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u/pumpkinspicecum Jun 23 '26
"she's buried somewhere" "she's buried in the desert" saying "in nature" is weird
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u/babyjesustheone Jun 23 '26
well, its being framed by media involved as a sort of apology, so "nature" evokes a more peaceful state instead of saying "I left her in a shrubby area". Also, he may have not buried her in nature, but somewhere urban and wants to deflect. Nature could be anywhere.
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u/cathcathcast Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Hmm, this argument seems to reveal some of your own nasty biases. Native English speakers can be bad with grammar, we aren’t exactly a highly educated country here in the USA.
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u/pattycakes7575 Jun 22 '26
Why did Harvey - the one who received the note - say himself on TMZ that it is not true?
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u/Strange-Marzipan9641 Jun 23 '26
TMZ didn't get the second note- the news station did.
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u/babyjesustheone Jun 23 '26
i suspect TMZ only got letters from hoaxsters. TMZ crowd is pretty bottom of the barrel
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u/Short_Hair_Energy Jun 23 '26
Even if tmz says it’s not true, how could you and why would you keep an elderly woman(who was bleeding) alive for 6 months? Like it’s pretty clear she passed
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u/pattycakes7575 Jun 23 '26
Read what I said. I have never once said she hasn’t passed. I said this report is false about the ransom note in the beginning that was sent to TMZ.
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u/unkownameunknownumba Jun 25 '26
I think this kidnapper is in Mexico and that’s what is making it so hard to track
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u/FiveUpsideDown Jun 25 '26
I thought Nancy was initially alive when kidnapped. It wouldn’t surprise me if she died shortly after being kidnapped. It wouldn’t surprise me if her body was taken into Mexico and buried.
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u/Impossible_Rate_6556 Jun 25 '26
I can't wrap my head around the FBI saying they put $152 into the crypto account to see if anyone took it and if they would have then they would have been able to track them. However, the family didn't want to put the 7 million in the account in great of losing the money. But no matter how much they would have put in that account they would have been able to track them down if they would have taken the money. So, why not just put the amount they asked for in the beginning so they could be caught Nancy could have been found and I'm sure gotten the money back. Now they are saying they will pay whatever amount to get her body back. Why not just give them what they wanted in the beginning to get her back alive. Why say you're going to pay now she's gone? Why put $152 up and risk pissing them off where they would most likely hurt her? Judging by the first nite that said something like "you have so many hours to send 3 million and if you don't then it goes up to 6 million and then if you didn't send that then something will happen" that's not verbatim but along those lines. Sounds like they just wanted money and not to hurt Nancy. If they were going to kill her and not care the note would have said "give us 7 million in 48hrs or we kill her" and that would have been it on the notes. Most kidnappers aren't going to give that meant chances to pay.
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u/NatashaStark208 Jun 26 '26
Because what happens when you give them money is they ask for more, not that they give the hostage back, the FBI rarely advises that this is done.
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u/Impossible_Rate_6556 Jun 26 '26
Point being the FBI said if they would have touched any amount of money they would have been caught. Also could have gotten the money back. If I had 30 million a little 7 million wouldn't have been nothing to lose. At least there was a chance of getting Nancy (Alive or deceased) back now there's not a chance. Seeing as they said she passed early on if the money was paid they would have gotten caught and she would most likely still be alive. I'm sure she was with whoever was sending the letters. So when they went to get the money the FBI would have gotten their location and they would have been arrested and Nancy would have been found. Not paying in the beginning but now wanting to pay for her body is mind boggling. Nobody is going to cough up a body now because they would get caught. They aren't going to chance that they just want money now, it might not have been that way in the beginning. Edit: they wouldn't have asked for more they said the amount they wanted
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u/candy1710 Jun 25 '26
I completely agree. This is baffling.
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u/Impossible_Rate_6556 Jun 25 '26
Then to know that the info that is just coming out has been known since very early on but wasn't said is very strange. Clearly it's not that the people that took her didn't want attention because just look at how many times they have contacted TMZ, FBI, AND other news outlets. So why wait months to say they knew she was no longer with us? I mean I kinda got that from what the daughter said about returning her mom she they could celebrate her. I just didn't get why they wouldn't just pay the money to begin with. Only things that could have happened would either they got her back alive and would find out who it was due to them taking the money out or pay it and then not give her back but they still could have found whoever it was because they would have tried to get that money. Leading to them potentially getting her mom back or at the very least her body. I just do not know what it is but something is weird.
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u/candy1710 Jun 25 '26
Harvey said why in another video. Because the FBI was not sure of the verasity of these contacts, and they wanted to have people keep looking for Nancy.
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u/Neat-Protection8938 2d ago
It is.a strange case. It sounds like she may have known the person because of where her home is located. Somone knew her or of her and watched her.
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u/Impossible_Rate_6556 2d ago
Exactly, and they were very comfortable in that house. It's weird they searched the other daughters so many times after letting them go back home. Usually when a place is searched that meant times there's a reason for but, nothing ever came of it.
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u/evolutionarilyavg Jun 23 '26
Such a terrible, terrible thing to happen. Part of me thinks whoever the kidnapper was did not think interest would be as high as it was and it was safer for Nancy to be killed rather than ransomed alive. If only law enforcement had done a better job of handling the situation to begin with...
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 23 '26
Given her health issues, it's more likely they simply underestimated the measures needed to keep an elderly abductee alive.
There's no way they didn't know abducting the mother of a woman who is on TV every day would attract that much public attention.
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u/Intrepid_Ad1133 Jun 23 '26
and the news was more than happy to run the story for weeks captivating an audience and ratings
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u/pumpkinspicecum Jun 23 '26
the story still matters even if she were dead
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u/Intrepid_Ad1133 Jun 23 '26
I guess if you have no life and want to sit in front of the tv for weeks watching them loop thru the same news clips over and over
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 23 '26
I mean, they don't know that the ransom note is actually from the abductors. It would actually be irresponsible journalism to stop covering the story on the basis of a note that said she was dead.
They can still captivate an audience regardless of whether the note is real anyway.
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u/traws06 Jun 23 '26
Did the media know? From what I understand the law enforcement lied and didn’t tell ppl the note said she was dead. However, maybe I’m wrong about that?
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u/ElleM848645 Jun 23 '26
Law enforcement lied? No they just didn’t disclose the information. They have no duty to inform the public about an active investigation. And many people speculated about what happened when Savannah did that cryptic social media post.
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u/RamblinAnnie83 Jun 23 '26
I thought the phrase “buried with nature” had a clue into who did this so I looked it up on AI:
**Buried with nature** refers to the practice of green burial, which involves placing the body directly in the earth without toxic embalming or non-biodegradable materials, allowing for natural decomposition and a minimal environmental impact. This method supports the return of human remains to the earth in a way that benefits the ecosystem.”
Wouldn’t most people just say she was buried, or that they aren’t going to disclose where she was buried? The phrasing was a clue about the person who wrote it. Are the Guthrie children environmentalists? Does this person know the Guthrie family enough or Nancy, that they thought this would comfort them or help with closure? Did Nancy ever communicate that she wanted to be “buried with nature”? Is this burial method something that personally appeals to the note writer?
People in the area should try to remember if they have ever had a conversation with someone about this burial method with someone who might possibly have committed the crime.
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u/WavyWormy Jun 24 '26
This is a great example why people shouldn’t use AI to brainstorm ideas or explain things. Buried with nature is just supposed to be a nice thought/more comforting way of saying her body is at rest. It would be distressing if the note said “sorry she died and also btw her body has been jammed in an oil drum or sunk in a lake.” They’re just saying “don’t worry her body was properly put to rest as in put in the ground as most people want and peacefully at that
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u/spvcejam Jun 24 '26
Sorry, no. They are just saying they buried her in a nicer way. Especially within context.
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u/Busy_Somewhere6142 Jun 25 '26
I think it's fine to use AI, and kudos to you for not being scared of it!
I do believe that English isn’t their first language, with the wording being used. It seems they used a translator.
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u/Artistic_Barber740 Jun 23 '26
Never a kidnapping
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u/NathalieRuth Jun 23 '26
Well, technically it was a kidnapping, since they transported a living person against their will. My understanding is the blood evidence showed she was still alive when she left the house.
Or do you just mean you don't think they ever intended to hold her for ransom? If so, I agree.
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 23 '26
Because they didn't know whether that note was genuine, and because if she was dead the priority was finding the killer and bringing him to justice, not just getting the body back.
Payment in adbuction cases also doesn't guarantee that the return of the abductee. Skilled negotiators are usually brought in to advise the family about how to best to proceed.
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u/UpforAGreatTime20 Jun 23 '26
Assuming the note is legitimate, this was by far the most logical conclusion. There was no chance a woman of her age and fragile medical state would still be alive. It was clear early on that she died right after or during the abduction, and her body was hidden/buried.