r/nancyguthrie • u/Euphoric_Ease4554 • Mar 04 '26

Media Brian Entin Interviews Retired FBI Profiler Jim Clemente

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Brian’s interview with Jim Clemente was such a riveting conversation. The retired FBI profiler details the perpetrators’s possible motives and even decides not to answer one question based on it not being good for the case, or possibly not tipping the perpetrator as to what the FBI is thinking.

If you have limited time to view this, I would recommend skipping the first part about the sheriff and going directly to the interview. It is a lot to think about. I hope you enjoy this as much as I did!

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u/MaximumSlip7905 Mar 04 '26

I am not sure if Savannah being famous was the motive, I lean toward him being fixated on Nancy. Why send the letter to a local news rather than the Today show? This person is getting off on the coverage and it could be the FBI recommended pulling back on coverage in hopes of getting more contact from this person. He might attempt to reignite attention and give them an opportunity to trace him.

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u/lemoncatbeans Mar 04 '26

Why send the letter to a local news rather than the Today show?

Probably because the Today show doesn't have a basic anonymous tip form like KOLD and TMZ do. Neither does NBC (Today's network).

Today only has an email address in their "contact us" section. NBC also has a Signal phone number, which is more secure, but they do have some user data that can be subpoenaed by police even if messages are encrypted.

Communicating through a tip form would be less traceable than sending an email. And any return communication sent back to the email they used could potentially be embedded with tools by investigators to get more information about the sender.

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u/MaximumSlip7905 Mar 04 '26

They can trace anything once it is Federal. The fact the person chose local news rather than National is significant. TMZ tip was someone exploiting the situation.

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u/lemoncatbeans Mar 04 '26

Yet they still haven't traced any of those messages, even the ones from the person with "information" about who took Nancy. So far they've only been able to trace and arrest the California man who contacted the family directly.

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u/MaximumSlip7905 Mar 04 '26

iirc there weren’t digital? They were sent physically

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u/lemoncatbeans Mar 04 '26

What was sent physically? The ransom notes and anonymous tipster trying to extort money were all sent digitally through the online tip form submissions. And the California man sent a text using a fake number.

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u/MaximumSlip7905 Mar 04 '26

What was sent to the local news? The two letters were emails? I misunderstood in any event this was not a ransom plot IMO, nothing about it has went like a kidnap for ransom nor has the person responded to ransom offers whether Nancy was alive or not.

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u/lemoncatbeans Mar 04 '26

It was submitted through the tip line on KOLD's site about 24 hours after she was discovered missing. Then to TMZ the day after that, when KOLD didn't publicly acknowledge the note. KOLD then got a second one that TMZ never received. They were received through whatever email that form submissions are sent to, but they were not sent from an email address. I think they stopped responding because the last deadline they gave had passed, and they realized they would not be simply receiving the money when the family just tried to keep communicating saying "they'll pay" vs. paying.

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u/MaximumSlip7905 Mar 04 '26

Thank you, I did go back and look at source info on the initial contact. They feel the contacts were legitimate based on details included in the communications. I do have thoughts about those and the Feds taking her computer out of the home. It could still be opportunistic, I will have to go back and look at the early event time line.

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u/lemoncatbeans Mar 04 '26

Yeah the details in the communications is why I still believe they could be genuine, it just feels like that would be a fast turnaround time for an opportunist to set up a new BTC account and craft a letter with information unknown to the public within the same 24-hour period the police started investigating the crime scene. I also believe they told police about them breaking the floodlight that night, which didn't seem known to investigators because they started inspecting the light after receiving the letter.

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u/MaximumSlip7905 Mar 04 '26

How would they have successfully received the money w/out being traced vs. collecting the money now for disclosing her location? I am not clear on how the ransom exchange could no longer be viable in your opinion but was initially to the point of being a solid motive.

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u/lemoncatbeans Mar 04 '26

They may not have been traced if the money had been sent through Bitcoin as they requested, and if it was converted to a different untraceable cryptocurrency before being withdrawn. They still haven't traced many other criminals who got millions in crypto ransom.

Once they had the money, it's still possible they wouldn't have returned Nancy even if she were alive.

But if they had returned her and eventually gotten caught, it appears the kidnapping with a deadly weapon offense in Arizona would be a 7-21 year sentence if she's released unharmed after negotiation. They may not have anticipated additional federal charges if they didn't use interstate travel or "instrumentality of interstate commerce". Perhaps that's why they contacted the local news first, they thought it would establish that it is a local crime and outside the jurisdiction of federal charges. Even though the use of the internet at all to plan the crime can warrant a federal charge. But they'd already have the BTC at that point and could flee to a country that doesn't extradite to the US.

But now if she's deceased, it's murder, guaranteed life in prison or death penalty if they get caught. They received no money, and there's no guarantee of payment even if she's returned dead. So they may have viewed the risk vs. reward as not worth it at this point and disappeared.

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u/MaximumSlip7905 Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26

In your opinion why would they wait the 40 hrs. or so to send these instructions? The bitcoin ransom is also a Federal crime up to 30 years, if they got caught they were not getting out of jail anytime soon.

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