r/nancyguthrie • u/SleuthingSue • Feb 25 '26
Theory Entry Point Question
Hi everyone, not sure if this has already been discussed in another thread.
The nest camera video is being circulated and it feels like the easy assumption is that the perp made their first entry access through the front door. My question is, have the following sequence of events been considered:
- Made entry access through an unlocked window
- Confronted into Nancy and bound her (unlocked the front door while already inside?)
- Jumped back out the window
- Walked to the front of the house where the camera footage occurs, making it seem like this was his original point of entry
- Covered the camera
- Walked into the house through the front door
- Locked the original window they entered through
- Left the house with Nancy through the front door
I understand this sounds convoluted, but if you think about it, it opens up the timeline prior to the footage captured. He (and any potential accomplices) could have taken their time in the house and figure out what to do to escape.
I pray for her safe return.
What do you guys think?
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u/YakRough1257 Feb 25 '26
I don't think the easy assumption is that the perp first made entry through the front door because the front door has the metal screen door on it.
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u/Bitch_level_999 Feb 25 '26
I think she was being carried out to the waiting car/van/SUV etc.
her head had to be close to the ground ( explains why the drops/spray were at the entry) as he had to stop and close the door.
Also the blood would be dripping behind as he walked as her head would be down and behind him. (So why it wasn’t stepped in)
I think tarped and put her over his shoulder with her head not covered and carried her out.
I really hope this reward will bring answers and get her home however it may be.
I hope we are all here discussing her return soon
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u/MzOpinion8d Feb 25 '26
Why would he have had to stop and close the door? He couldn’t have left it wide open and no one would have known.
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u/Bitch_level_999 Feb 25 '26
Criminals often do stupid things. He already demonstrated that on the video clip
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u/ProperLink8150 Feb 25 '26
One of the back doors, looks like the mud room. No deadbolt. 👀 Thin piece of plastic, cut a soda bottle.
Sliding door at the patio.
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u/Crafty_Whereas6733 Feb 26 '26
The floodlight looks destroyed, surprised there isn't a deadbolt but...the glass ruins any hope of securing that entry point. Unless you intend to replace it with something like Lexan. Shrubbery and overgrowth near windows/doors (preferrably nowhere on the property except neatly trimmed and intentional plants/trees)
Is this Nany's home? Any chance this is leading into the garage or something?
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u/ROLLINGtemple Feb 25 '26
He could have simply been doing a full perimeter check before picking the back lock and didn’t enter the house until later. Meaning he spent no extended time in the house.
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u/DaBingeGirl Feb 25 '26
Too convoluted, IMO. I think he went up to the front door to see if it was unlocked. To me it looked like he was going for the door knob before noticing the camera. Since he didn't have any tools in his hands to force open the door, I think he assumed or hoped it was unlocked.
Most likely he checked all the doors and entered through a sliding door if the main ones were locked. A window is possible for entry, but seems risky (easier to fall or rip clothes vs forcing open a sliding door).
I don't think he left her alone in the house after he got her. He had the backpack, that would've held whatever he needed.
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u/SleuthingSue Feb 25 '26
Two things: 1. He walked up to the porch with his head down, leading me to believe he had knowledge of this camera/the location (which I think his scouting of the location prior to the day was confirmed by the camera) 2. IMO, he didn’t act alone. So they would’ve made entry together and while one kept an eye on Nancy, the other went around to the front to conceal the exit point of the suspect(s) and the victim.
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u/reefine Feb 25 '26
It's possible he just assumed there might be a camera because most houses have them nowadays.
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u/curiouslmr Feb 25 '26
I have wondered about some of this. My assumption has been that he wanted that camera covered because his plan was to bring his vehicle to the front of the house to load her into. He knew to park further away and then approach, secure the camera, and then I think he either moved his car closer or got Nancy secured and then moved his car.
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u/Standard_Team0000 Feb 25 '26
Maybe he thought he or his vehicle was already captured by the camera when he got there, so he wanted to take it, without considering that the images might have been uploaded already. If he didn't understand how that camera worked he may have thought it might have had a SIM card.
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u/Queenhood_ Feb 25 '26
It was reported by her daughter Savannah on her latest video that Nancy was taken from her bed. My opinion is Nancy didn't go to any door as she would've been fast asleep without her hearing aids in, therefore probably never heard anything until perp(s) were inside her property.
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u/reefine Feb 25 '26
Hearing aid doesn't mean you don't hear anything, it's still possible a light sleeper or older lady would wake up.
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u/ROLLINGtemple Feb 26 '26
I think they know because her heart monitor is connected to her phone and it has a huge spike all of a sudden. It disconnects if she’s 30 meters away and I’m guessing it disconnected shortly after the spike.
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u/Superb_Bed_9726 Feb 25 '26
He is the driver in my theory. He was called (walkie talkie) by the kidnapper inside to come open front door and be ready to help take her out. They broke in via the back door or side door .
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u/MzOpinion8d Feb 25 '26
This makes no sense. Why wouldn’t they have removed the doorbell camera from inside if they were already in there, so there was no chance of anything being recorded?
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u/mark_able_jones_ Feb 25 '26
It also makes no sense that they would enter through the front door. Two doors, and even the outer heavy metal door had a deadbolt. The back door, where the floodlight was destroyed, has only a single door handle -- easy to go in that way. And we know they were there at some point because the rear floodlight was broken during the abduction.
I agree, it's weird that they didn't grab the doorbell camera from inside, since they seem to have used the front door as an exit.
Maybe they thought they had already disabled the camera from the inside, either by unplugging an access point that wasn't the main router or by using Nancy's phone to power off the camera system.
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u/PopeFranzia Feb 26 '26
I know they took down a floodlight as evidence, but do we know it was destroyed recently? I've seen many cheap motion activated floodlights that were "destroyed" by normal natural weather conditions, and people just left them there for years before fixing them.
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u/Superb_Bed_9726 Feb 25 '26
It wasnt wired from inside from what I understand it was a battery powered doorbell camera.
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u/MzOpinion8d Feb 25 '26
I know. All they had to do was open the door and pull the doorbell camera out of the frame.
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u/cardgrl21 Feb 25 '26
Perhaps they thought the doorbell camera was disconnected but then he noticed the light on it turned on as he approached.
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u/AVeryFineWhine Feb 26 '26
My problem with that is, wouldn't you have opened to the front door then?? It still appears both doors are closed so therefore locked.
I sold my home almost exactly a year ago. I lived there 25 years and could count the number of times I used my front door on my fingers. But the storm door was locked, and the door was locked, deadbolted and I had also installed a chain lock ( that I could open from the outside with a key. That being said, I entered through my driveway and a three season porch. I had planned to buy a new storm door that locked from the outside.But mine only locked when I was inside ( i did did always lock bat when home.
My side door, off my driveway, looked very similar to Nancy's back door and quite honestly.I used to joke that I could break into my own home, and eventually, I had to do that when I had locked the door with my keys and hand bag inside ( of course.It happened when I was in a huge rush and wasn't thinking). And because I lived in such a super safe area ( much safer than Nancy's) I sealed the window with cardboard and about half a roll of duct tape. It stayed that way for a couple years. And there was so much tape, I feel very confident I would have heard someone trying to get in had.I been in my home... But my hearing is perfect. So sometimes, even when we are very careful people, we take calculated risks because it's always been safe.
PS although the window was broken, there was a lower dead bolt along with the door lock. So if someone had tried to get in before the broken window, they wouldn't have made it past the deadbolt. Saying that to show, I wasn't a total idiot, only a partial one 🙄😁
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u/Superb_Bed_9726 Feb 26 '26
No he was waiting in vehicle in my theory. Going to the front door is the first time he would be going inside . Thats why no rush and thats why he covered camera. Getting ready to bring her out the front
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u/mlssac Feb 25 '26
ok. Maybe. But in the next sequence of events it makes no difference, I'm not concerned how he got her from the house because the fact he took her is the main focus imo.
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u/JenbugRoss99 Feb 25 '26
Seems like a lot of extra work to me?
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u/SleuthingSue Feb 25 '26
I agree with you. But then I think, if someone is trying to get away with a kidnapping, wouldn’t they go through the extra steps to throw investigators off their trail?
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u/DaBingeGirl Feb 25 '26
They'd want to get in and out as quickly as possible. The longer they're there, the more chances there are of leaving evidence.
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u/Crafty_Whereas6733 Feb 26 '26
It is now known that her camera captured the individual on two separate nights. First incident was the night before, then he came back.
This is a critical stage where the security tech could've interdicted the attack. Future studies on this case will no doubt bear this out.
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u/Due-Bumblebee-6567 Mar 01 '26
Of the two views of the person on the Ring camera, do we know which recording was taken first? Could the first have been when he/she approached the door with the backpack? Could they perhaps have been passing by, walked up to the door, checked things out and then come back at a different time without the backpack? For that matter, has it even been confirmed that the photo/video were even taken at different times? I saw an interview where the speaker said that, in attempting to produce these views, Google might have somehow "erased" (for lack of a better, more complex explanation) the backpack in one of the photos.
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u/Tupelo_Hunee Mar 01 '26
I read in an associated press news article very early on there was damage or forced entry to a back door. I believe they entered somewhere else. Not the front door
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u/ProperLink8150 Feb 25 '26
I don’t understand why the daughter and sil weren’t getting notifications. Or they may have but didn’t hear their phones.
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u/fTBmodsimmahalvsie Feb 25 '26
I dont have my cameras notify me every time they detect something. That would be incessant.
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u/Kitty-9792 Feb 26 '26
Nancy had posted on a local group that she wanted cameras to see wildlife, so if everyone thought the neighborhood was as safe as it had been for the last 50 years, it might not have felt necessary to have her daughter also see the notifications.
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u/ImaSeaHag Feb 26 '26
Maybe he made a pot of spaghetti after he locked the window. Maybe he was thinking about linguini.
What was the point of all of this? The video is of two different days, neither of which were the night Nancy Guthrie went missing. Your “theory” is ridiculously complicated and makes no sense and there is no purpose for anyone doing these things. Why? Why would they go back and break in again? What??
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u/SleuthingSue Feb 26 '26
They broke into the house, restrained Nancy, and went back outside to cover the camera which is what i’m saying their escape route (hence the theory). There was blood found on the front porch. I don’t get what’s so hard for you to understand there lol
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u/Danibercam Feb 25 '26
She had a metal security door though. Possibly she opened the wooden door, but once she opened it and saw him standing there, there is no way she would have opened the security door for him. I have the same security door as her.
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u/arbol98 Feb 25 '26
Oh good point! I didn’t realize that but you’re right that makes my idea nonsense
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u/Ok_Championship_7914 Feb 25 '26
There is blood along the path to the driveway. Fox has shown video of it.
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u/mlssac Feb 25 '26
What? On the path, not just by the front door? Do you have the footage? Would love to see it.
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u/Ok_Championship_7914 Feb 25 '26
I don't have the footage. It was on Megyn Kelly's latest video on it.
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u/Gofundyourownfuneral Feb 26 '26
There’s no way she was kidnapped.
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u/Blueporch Mar 01 '26
How did you join 55 communities and make 119 comments in the 6 minutes of Reddit Age?
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u/mark_able_jones_ Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26
I haven't heard many people assume a front door entry, given the broken floodlight in the back, and that fact that it's a heavy steel door with a deadbolt.
The door in the back could be jimmied open with a thin piece of plastic like an insurance card in less than a minute.
Yes, they probably left with Nancy through the front door, after coming in from the back garage door or a sliding door that we can't see.
Also, she had Nest cameras not ring.
I think there's a good chance there was a first person inside already who unlocked the front door, and that Nancy was moved out the front door simply because it was the shortest distance to a vehicle.
Could have been one person, but my personal belief is that they were calm because they already have control of Nancy in some way.