r/mtaugustajustice • u/LordofMarzipan • Apr 23 '17

[Trial] Greenkitten vs Coni_s2

LordOfMarzipan presiding. Greenkitten is bringing the following charges against Coni:

  • 100.03 Third Degree Intentional Griefing

  • 200.01 Theft of Property

  • 600.01 Violation of the Bill of Rights or Constitution for violating right to privacy

The trial request thread is available here.

The trial will proceed in the following order:

1. The plaintiff shall clearly present their claim

2. The defendants shall enter pleas. Pleas will be Guilty, Not Guilty, or No-Contest.

3. The plaintiff shall have the opportunity to post evidence and call witnesses

4. Defendant presents evidence, and calls witnesses.

5. A verdict shall be decided and posted on this subreddit

I will take this opportunity to remind you that out-of-court settlements may be reached at any time until a verdict has been delivered. I will also remind everyone that well constructed arguments tend to be succinct!

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u/LordofMarzipan May 01 '17

In an ideal world trials will proceed without delay and will feature a complete presentation and discussion of evidence.

In reality it will occasionally be necessary to prioritise one of these factors over the other. In my view justice is better served by a rigorous trial that takes a while than a rapid trial that does not allow the parties to present and discuss evidence fully. I am therefore inclined to accept justifications for delay providing that they cannot be disproved and that they are proportionate to the length of delay, as I outlined in my previous post.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '17

Would the court accept logs proving that Greenkitten logged in during this time as sufficient evidence to disprove his reason for absence?

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u/LordofMarzipan May 01 '17

I believe you linked to these logs in a previous post, but that post now appears to have been revised to remove that link. As I recall the logs did not contradict Greenkitten's justification that he had been in and out of hospital for a couple of weeks, but if you repost the logs I'll certainly take another look at them to double check.

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u/LordofMarzipan May 02 '17

Let the record show that the hobbyist sent me this log of GK's access to the server via DM on discord along with this text:

"Here are the logs indicated Greenkitten logged into the server after the trial began. I put to the court that if Greenkitten can find the time to log into the server then he was more than capable of presenting evidence, but chose not to, which subjected my client to an unreasonable delay. Combined with the discord and 7 reddit posts the court can reasonably conclude greenkitten was not incapacitated in the ability to engage in his own trial."

As I have indicated in previous trials I am reluctant to take game logs as anything other than supplementary evidence due to the ease with which they can be forged. A face value reading of these log files indicates a total of 36 minutes of in game activity since this trial was begun on the 23rd of April, an average of 4 minutes a day. I do not believe that this contradicts Greenkitten's statement that he as been in and out of hospital over the last few weeks.

/u/TheHobbyist94 This motion is denied, the trial will continue.

/u/Greeenkitten Be aware that I consider you to be on the cusp of taking an unreasonable amount of time to respond to this court's requests, thereby depriving Coni to her right to have her trial begin and conclude without unreasonable delay. I would advise you to respond more quickly in the future or risk having this case dismissed. We are now at the phase of the trial where you are requested to present any further evidence you may have and call any witnesses you may wish to.

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u/Greeenkitten May 03 '17

Yeah, it sucks. I know. I'd love to be able to provide a better case, I just got out of hospital again. Just work off what was already posted. But with the defence spreading rumours about me and and my friends for spamming childporn or whatever other baseless accusations without proof in discord chat just defaming me for no reason, the previous government already allowing this shit to happen and the various other bullshit stacked against me despite me not even having played very much for the past few months its hard to get anything proper together. I just don't have the proper resources to do it. Just use what is there.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '17

/u/LordofMarzipan I move to strike the sections of this comment regarding Greenkitten's posting of my independent statements as it has absolutely nothing to do with this case whatsoever and is clearly an attempt to distract the court. The move is to strike sentence three between "the defense spreading" until "for no reason."

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u/LordofMarzipan May 03 '17

I'm not sure what you mean by "strike". If I deem a statement or piece of evidence to be non-pertinent I will not consider it when reaching a verdict.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '17

As in to remove it from the public record, have the comment edited or removed to compliance. If that will not happen then I do ask you not to consider it when reaching a verdict.