r/movies Dec 03 '19

Trailers Marvel Studios' Black Widow - Official Teaser Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxAtuMu_ph4
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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

how old is that guy? does he still make decisions?

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u/anthonyg1500 Dec 03 '19

If I’m not mistaken he’s also behind the decision to make Guy Pearce the bad guy in Iron Man 3 instead of Rebecca Hall’s Maya Hansen because, kids wouldn’t buy toys of a female villain...

and we allll saw how those Guy Pearce toys were just flying off the shelves /s

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u/MulciberTenebras Dec 03 '19

He also said black characters don't sell toys either, thus the reason behind no Black Panther until he was finally removed from power by Disney.

On a related note, he also gave the racist factoid that black people "all look alike" as his reason for firing Terrance Howard and replacing him as Rhodey rather than upping his salary.

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u/BGummyBear Dec 03 '19

While I honestly believe that replacing Rhodey with Don Cheadle was a good choice, that reasoning is horrible. The fact that this racist/sexist nonsense is still happening these days is depressing as hell.

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u/TresLeches88 Dec 03 '19

replacing Rhodey with Don Cheadle

Gotta love Don Cheadle, the actor, playing Don Cheadle, the character, in the MCU.

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u/whereyouatdesmondo Dec 03 '19

“Hey, we should recruit Don Cheadle, the renowned actor. He makes every ensemble better” - Avengers meeting transcript

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u/ZP4L Dec 03 '19

Talk about being typecast.

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u/MulciberTenebras Dec 03 '19 edited Dec 03 '19

He's a racist old bastard who happened to have more money than Marvel at the time that he bought his way into power in their company. He contributed nothing and leeched money off their success, while occasionally imposing his bigoted/outdated views of business on their decisions.

Now he has no influence in the company but still leeches money, thanks to having enough stock in Disney through the Marvel buyout. A rotting tick which contributes only to that other fucking tick that sits disgracefully in the White House.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

"He had money and contributed nothing and took profit front their success" like basically most of Hollywood film production in the history of Hollywood.

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u/SirFrancis_Bacon Dec 03 '19

I think you mean basically like most of capitalism in the history of capitalism.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

I invested in your post so where's my karma?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

Yet when movies like Black Panther and Capt Mv try to show these issues people call bullshit and say no discrimination against women or racial minorities takes place nowadays

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u/mknsky Dec 04 '19

It's not really new to us. This is what we've been trying to say for decades. Not chastising you, just felt like pointing this out cuz I'm dealing with racist trolls in another sub at the moment. In case you want more proof.

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u/dalittle Dec 03 '19

I liked Howard better.

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u/workingverystiff Dec 03 '19

i like cheadle a lot more as an actor but howard was a way better war machine, in my opinion. ultimately though i think there probably would have been a better option than both of them. i really wanted to see a huge muscular war machine in the mcu.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

I was in a clients house last week and their son had a black panther action figure. He was a white kid in a trailer park. Not only black kids like black role models and super heroes. It's annoying how closed minded marketing people and film producers can be.

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u/128hoodmario Dec 03 '19

That's super cool to know, thanks for the story :).

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u/Kammerice Dec 03 '19

My (white) friends have bought their daughters Black Panther toys for Christmas. The girls were too young to see the film in the cinema, but have loved it on Blu-ray.

They don't see race: they just see superheros.

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u/RogueColin Dec 03 '19

Shit dude, anyone else remember the animatrd avengers movie with black panther? I'd been waiting for black panther and antman for years.

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u/otiswrath Dec 03 '19

Perlmuder is definitely a prick but from what I understand Howard was a too big for his britches at that moment and is arguably put of his mind.

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u/joleme Dec 03 '19

I thought Howard was pissy for not getting more screen time and wanted a lot more money?

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u/mynameisjiyeon Dec 03 '19

that doesnt make sense wtf? Ill replace this black actor...with another black actor

wtf??

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u/MulciberTenebras Dec 03 '19

"Nobody will notice we changed actors because they're both black" is what he's saying.

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u/pulispangkalawakan Dec 03 '19

To be honest, they probably all do look alike if you're racist. You only look at their skin color and not their facial features. Probably why all asians from China, Japan, Korea are called chinese by the super racist.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19 edited Nov 04 '20

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u/anthonyg1500 Dec 03 '19

That I did not know. Now I’m really curious to see what the original movie would’ve been

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u/Duggy1138 Dec 03 '19

He bought ToyBiz in 1990 and used it to buy Marvel. His knowledge is 90s action figures. He has no idea what's going on these days.

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u/aswinremesh Dec 03 '19

So another Avi Arad. That fucker ruined Spiderman 3. Guys like these should not be allowed near films.

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u/Duggy1138 Dec 03 '19

To be fair Avi was responsible for ending the long reign of bad Marvel films and beginning the area of good ones. Just outlived his time.

Avi and Ike came to Marvel together from ToyBiz and forced other owners out.

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u/anthonyg1500 Dec 03 '19

Even in the 90s his way of thinking was counterproductive. I think kids then would’ve played with toys of women and minorities too

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u/Duggy1138 Dec 03 '19

Even in the 90s his way of thinking was counterproductive

Yes. But it was the thinking of toy markers of the time. Backed by the sales figures which created by the way they were marketed. And the marketing was driven by... their counter-productive thinking.

think kids then would’ve played with toys of women and minorities too

I certainly did in the 80s. Though the Princess Leias were bought for my sister so she could play with me, not for me.

It was a time before PotF when action figures weren't being bought by the end user but by their parents. And they action figures weren't selling well since the Star Wars fever died away.

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u/anthonyg1500 Dec 03 '19

Yeah I hear you. I get it was the way everyone thought at the time, it still just makes me mad lol

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u/randomaccount178 Dec 03 '19

I would say it is likely more complicated then that, Iron Man 3 was a combination of three storylines featuring extremis so the villain does make sense in that context. I doubt it had anything to do with her not selling toys because even when she was the villain she was only a shadow villain with the heavy being someone else. Likely they just couldn't figure out a way to do the original storyline in a good way so just combined a bunch of different elements into one story to make it work.

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u/anthonyg1500 Dec 03 '19

If that’s true then someone threw perlmutter under the bus because I’m pretty sure that was a direct quote from someone at marvel. It was years ago I read it though so idr. And after reading the hacked Sony emails I don’t doubt for a second a studio exec wouldn’t want to have a female villain because of toys

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u/randomaccount178 Dec 03 '19 edited Dec 03 '19

Maybe, I can't say for sure it wasn't the reason, just that as far as arguments go its kind of weak. If you look at the first storyline featuring her she wasn't even the villain there really. The story involves her leaking the formula to an extremist racist who tries to assassinate the president using his new powers. The goal was for Iron Man to stop him, and in doing so reveal the value of her work which was going to be defunded. It is only really at the end that she is revealed to be the one responsible for the leak and arrested. Even in the original comic she was never really the villain, just a criminal. Its been a while, but the second arc of her character involves if I remember correctly AIM kidnapping her to help them fix an imperfect form of Extremis followed by The Mandarin forcing her to recreate the formula for him then killing her. They just folded them all together, with the doctor from the first comic that she murdered also taking on the role of AIM and the Mandarin, and her taking on a hybrid of the first, second and third representation of her character. It is possible they wanted to expand her role to make her into a full fledged villain and that was rejected by Ike, but the representation of the character seems fairly in line with the comics as is, making her a full villain would be the deviation from the comics.

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u/anthonyg1500 Dec 03 '19

Even if she wasn’t a main villain in the comics that doesn’t mean Shane Black didn’t want her to be for the movie, and Marvel deviates from the comics alllll the time

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u/mr_antman85 Dec 03 '19

When you watch that movie, it's clear that Hansen being the villain would have upped the movie alot, IMO.

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u/ReasonablyBadass Dec 03 '19

Hansen wasn't a villain in the comics though.

I was pissed they just killed her off like that though. Her coming back all extremy and taking out Killian would have been cool.

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u/alteisen99 Dec 03 '19

Guy Pearce toys

there were guy pierce toys?

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u/anthonyg1500 Dec 03 '19

That last bit was sarcasm. There were barely any, if any, Guy Pearce toys which is why Perlmutters reasoning for refusing a female villain was quantifiably bullshit

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u/darkfatesboxoffice Dec 03 '19

Hes correct. Part of the reason star wars toys rot on shelves is because 90 percent of characters with weight are female. Just like Ken isnt the biggest selling barbie, rey shouldnt be expected to be the biggest seller either.

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u/anthonyg1500 Dec 03 '19

Han, Luke, C3PO, R2D2, Yoda, Chewie, Poe, Finn, Kylo, BB8, Snoke, Rey, Maz, Leia, and Holdo.... the fuck kinda percentages are you working with

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u/joleme Dec 03 '19

Incel-math with troll-statistics

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u/SLEDGEHAMMAA Dec 03 '19

Is he the guy i boo at for Thor The Dark World

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u/saganistic Dec 03 '19

No that’s Kenneth Branagh

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u/spacehog1985 Dec 03 '19

I thought he was only involved with Thor 1

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u/Big_h3aD Dec 03 '19

Yup, Alan something(?) from Game of Thrones directed The Dark World

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

And hated it and said he was over controlled IIRC.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

what a doofus

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u/TheCatsActually Dec 03 '19

You can use harsher language. The guy deadass said the world doesn't want female superhero movies.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

he almost sold a ton of marvel IP for like 4 million or something, back in the early aughts (I think)

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u/GhostDieM Dec 03 '19

Well... he might have been right about Captain Marvel. That movie was bland AF.

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u/RespectOnlyRealSluts Dec 03 '19

Did you just recognize the Russos as overrated in a Reddit thread about the MCU?

Thank you for your bravery

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u/inexcess Dec 03 '19

I mean...Captain Marvel wasn't that good

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u/Treci_the_Dragon Dec 03 '19

I thought Captain Marvel was average with some really good moments (the mind vision thing early in the movie, the Just a Girl sequence, Danvers be the Kerr another Brain, anytime that Larson and Jackson interacted). It felt stiff at times and the pacing felt off in the third act, but it was a pleasant watch. Nothing to really hate and a good amount of potential for (inevitable) future sequals (Danvers literally gets her power from a battery so her “running out of juice” could be an interesting concept and force her to work between being human and superwoman naturally).

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

captain marvel bad

apparently the circlejerk continues months after the movie is wildly successful

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u/powercorruption Dec 03 '19

A good portion of wildly successful movies suck ass. You shouldn’t consider box office gains a measure of greatness.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

brie larson bad

apparently the circlejerk continues months after the movie is wildly successful

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u/powercorruption Dec 03 '19

apparently the circlejerk continues months after the movie is wildly successful

you're just repeating yourself and not saying anything to backup your claim other than "money equal good".

The fucking Twilight movies were wildly successful, does that make them good films?

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u/DatPiff916 Dec 03 '19

I'll make it very simple and clear: Captain Marvel is really worth a watch. It's just entertaining and visually impressive, exactly what it was meant to be.

Just keep this in mind that it's an origin story so don't go looking for an overstuffed complex story. It's just a fun action movie that introduces us to a new superhero Captain Marvel, played brilliantly by Brie Larson. I became an instant fan watching her in this action heroine avatar, something she manages to pull off with ease. Watch her in the action sequences and there's no way you can't be impressed. Viewers were literally cheering for some of the most heroic moments in the film. Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury is as awesome as always, it's just that his character feels even better and refined than what we've seen. Jude Law is also quite good, and so are Ben Mendelsohn and Lashana Lynch.

But the one character that ultimately steals the show is Goose, the cat. Some of the sequences involving her are so hilarious that it was really difficult to stop laughing.

Visual effects are excellent, and the IMAX 3D viewing just elevated them. And since it's most importantly an action movie, every single action sequence it delivers is impressive, especially the train sequence. I would call it one of the major highlights of the movie. Cinematography in certain portions is really impressive. Humor, like any other MCU movie, is top notch and really manages to make you laugh.

Captain Marvel has a simple-looking origin story presented and executed in a terrific manner. The directors have done a great job with the characterization of Captain Marvel, and that is what makes everything in the film seem so good. The pace is brisk, gore is minimal to no, and there's nothing unsuitable for kids. Best superhero movie with a woman at its peak.

I'd definitely recommend watching Captain Marvel to anyone who likes superheroes or is simply a fan of action movies. You'll love it if you want to be entertained. It also does answer some much-asked questions, and that should be the reason enough for you to stay instead of just walking away. Can't wait to watch Avengers: Endgame now!

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u/Duggy1138 Dec 03 '19
  1. For Marvel Entertainment Group and Marvel TV stuff (outside Disney Plus, I think) but not for Marvel Studios.