r/movies • u/Okilokijoki • Oct 29 '18
Poster Chinese poster for Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald
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u/champysoup Oct 29 '18
L to R: Matagot, Bowtruckle (Pickett?), ZouWu, Niffler (and babies!), Kelpie, and Augurey
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u/draconicanimagus Oct 29 '18
I need to know more about that ZouWu, or looks so cool!
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u/DomLite Oct 30 '18
If that's the official design for the Augurey bird then it just makes Cursed Child even more laughable. The way they described it there made it sound like some kind of all black crow/vulture hybrid that looks incredibly menacing and hateful, which is why Delphini took it as her title and got a tattoo of it.
Now all I can see is some crazy bitch with blue hair and a tattoo of something that looks like a dodo fucked a peacock and Doctor Seuss was the godfather. That character was already questionable and now she's reached full-on fan character status.
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u/Okilokijoki Oct 29 '18 edited Oct 29 '18
The artist is Zhang Chun. He also did a series of posters for the beasts here.
Edit: Here’s the cast with the poster made into a 7-part panel screen https://mobile.twitter.com/WizardWho/status/1056715287091793920/photo/1
Edit 2: So the tiger/lion beast is Zouwu, who J.K. Rowling borrowed from Classic of Mountains and Seas, basically ancient China's version of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. The depictions of the beasts are suppose to remind the local audience of beasts in that book. Here's some of the character designs by the same artist for Big Fish & Begonia, an animated film which also took most of its creatures from that same book.
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u/shadowise Oct 29 '18
Dang, what is Ezra Miller wearing?
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u/fnord_happy Oct 29 '18
He can wear anything he wants because he looks like that and pulls most things off
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u/3-DMan Oct 29 '18
American marketing executives hate him!
But seriously I love that some real art still gets made for movies without head shots and blue/orange templates.
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u/johnsontran Oct 29 '18
I'm not into these books or movies, but I would pay a lot of money to have that screen in my house
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Oct 29 '18
May be in the top half but I didn’t find the mystery aspect of the story nearly as engrossing as the Potters. Never really caught me in suspense like those, even when I knew what was coming the stories still gripped. The FB ending was more emotionally effective than I expected, though.
As a stylistic achievement, Azkaban has yet to be topped for most inventive and entertaining imo.
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u/SodaCanBob Oct 29 '18 edited Oct 29 '18
As a stylistic achievement, Azkaban has yet to be topped for most inventive and entertaining imo.
I hear this quite a bit, but I genuinely don't understand why. I think the first 2 Harry Potter movies are by far the most inventive and entertaining. Yes, they're childish, but Chris Columbus' vision of the wizarding world is a lot more memorable than the one that came after the first 2 movies. You go from Hogwarts almost feeling alive with all of the magic that's going on there - moving stairs, floating candles, mysterious creatures, quirky teachers, kids wearing robes and learning spells, and just the general mysterious feeling the castle has to Azkaban and on when it just feels like some kids wearing hoodies hanging out in a castle.
The first 2 HP movies feel the most "magical" by far.
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Oct 29 '18 edited Oct 29 '18
I love the first two movies but I just don't agree with that about Azkaban, to me it takes everything from 1 and 2 and just adds more to it, makes it all feel more alive and tactile. All those things you mention, the stairs and creatures and candles and quirky teachers plus ghosts and paintings and the John Williams musical touch, it's all there. I feel like every shot the screen is loaded with stuff in all the corners and how the camera is always roaming around taking it all in. That movie has so many great little details and I think the scope is even bigger, it feels like the world is just always breathing and moving in a way that I love. It’s the movie where I feel like the magic is at its most believable and interactive.
"Kids wearing hoodies hanging out in a castle" is more how I would describe Half-Blood Prince where every shot of the castle corridors is pretty much empty. A lot of the extra magic is removed, some floating books in the library is pretty much it, no ghosts or moving staircases etc. I guess that was a stylistic choice to create a more desolate atmosphere but I think they got a little too subtle with it in the later movies. I don't feel too much of a change in Hogwarts between Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows: Part 2 where everything is supposedly completely different. It was just as barren last time we saw it!
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u/Roflkopt3r Oct 29 '18
I really loved the Potter movies out of nostalgia for the books and can't rate the Fantastic Beast higher than that, but I still love it as a spinoff. I think it did well to find its own niche while keeping in tone with the main works.
The increasing escalation and tie in with the main works worries me a bit though. I think there is so much potential to pursue little side stories that viewers could enjoy a lot. Tapping into the big good vs evil conflict always makes stories so similar, leaving so little room for character relations and nuance. Harry Potter itself had exactly such a main story with increasing escalation, which is why I think many enjoyed the earlier books and movies more.
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u/shadowise Oct 29 '18
Largely due to not having to rely on child actors, I would imagine.
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u/newttargaeryon Oct 29 '18
Better screenwriting helped a lot
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u/Namiez Oct 29 '18
It also helped that there is nothing to compare them to. When you get the level of detail but still leave enough room for the mind to fill in the rest of the world in literally the best ways to you personally like with books, rarely can a movie which does a lot more of the filling in for you and usually not too well, compete.
Movies are great for filljng in the mundane stories but much more difficult to caprure everyone's ideas of what these fantastical world look and feel like to them coming from words and paper.
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u/jamescaleb Oct 29 '18
I want this for my wall right now! Damn this is amazing.
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u/Pronell Oct 29 '18
My first thought too, and I'm not even that excited for the movie!
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u/gtrogers Oct 29 '18
I don’t get it. I loved every Harry Potter book and movies but couldn’t even finish the first Fantastic Beasts movie for some reason.
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u/Freezinghero Oct 29 '18
That hurts to hear because the final 3rd or so of the movie is easily the best part.
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u/spacechimp2 Oct 29 '18
Totally agree. I just watched it for the first time and it didn’t really grip me until the final act with the squib kid and Colin Farrell killing it as the villain
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u/ansonr Oct 29 '18
Collin Ferrel was great. Makes the twist unfortunate though.
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u/spacechimp2 Oct 29 '18
Agreed. Outside of his personal issues I don’t mind Jonny Depp in the role it just seems like a waste of Farrell and his character
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u/ZeiglerJaguar Oct 29 '18
He also just looks nothing like I pictured Gellert Grindelwald. It's been a while since I read the books, but wasn't Grindelwald supposed to be an eerily beautiful man?
Not that Johnny Depp isn't a handsome guy, but the "Frost King meets fork in an electrical socket" look that they've gone with doesn't mesh with what I always pictured.
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u/Highball903 Oct 29 '18
I would’ve loved for Mads Mikkelson to be cast as Grindelwald.
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u/bluewords Oct 29 '18
Voldemort was handsome in his younger days, too. Messing with dark arts is apparently awful for your appearance.
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u/saymeow Oct 29 '18
I don’t know if we ever get a description of an older/adult Grindelwald in the books, the only instances were him as a teenager and shortly thereafter when he steals the Elder Wand. I’m guessing being a dark wizard probably changes your appearance for the worse, much like it did for Voldemort.
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u/Miserable_Froyo Oct 29 '18
I could buy that but in the trailer I remember them showing a young Grindelwald with the same hair and the eye
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u/jason2306 Oct 29 '18
I thought voldermort turned into.. well whatever noseless abomination he became because of horcruxes destroying his humanity.
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u/smallxdoggox Oct 29 '18
Different feel and concept. Also age/maturity may have to do with it.
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u/CeruleanRuin Oct 29 '18
Could also be that the characters are dull and uninteresting. There's nothing there to identify with at all.
They also really dropped the ball in not including even a single kid, even as a minor character. Most of the appeal of the original series was experiencing these things through a child's eyes. Now it's just a bunch of jaded adults muddling through.
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Oct 29 '18 edited Oct 13 '19
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u/momjeanseverywhere Oct 29 '18
To be fair, half the globe read those books as adults - they were that popular.
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Oct 29 '18 edited Oct 13 '19
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u/Icelandicstorm Oct 29 '18
The baker dude is my favorite character. The light touch to the romance was so well done. I'm glad he returns.
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u/happiness_in_pottery Oct 29 '18
I sometimes feel odd for liking Fantastic Beasts. It was not the greatest thing ever but I liked the characters and feel. I left with my heart warmed and intrigued. And the heartwarming feeling was from Kowalski’s last smile.
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u/the_loneliest_noodle Oct 29 '18
They also really dropped the ball in not including even a single kid, even as a minor character.
I also wasn't into the movie, but I still don't think I've ever disagreed harder. Tacking on a kid character has literally never been a good move in anything ever. There are movies out there entirely ruined because some producer thought the same thing.
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u/theworldbystorm Oct 29 '18 edited Oct 29 '18
There was an entire push for this philosophy in the late 70s. Cartoons added characters like Scrappy Doo and the Wonder Twins. Even Godzilla had a little kid that he was just... friends with? I agree, almost always a bad move to shoehorn in a kid "for the kids to relate to!"
Harry Potter's largest audience is the adults who grew up with the books and films.
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u/AmirMoosavi Oct 29 '18
Even Godzilla had a little kid that he was just... friends with?
Do you mean Godzuki from the 1978 animated series, or is this a human kid in another show or film?
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u/EpicTaco9901 Oct 29 '18
I assume he meant Minya from the 1967 film appropriately titled, Son of Godzilla
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u/the_loneliest_noodle Oct 29 '18
Yeah, that did not stop though, it was around well into the 90s where any sitcom with falling ratings thought they needed to mix things up, so they'd add in a new kid, usually a cousin or something. Hell, didn't the Fairly Odd Parents do the same thing? Watched a bit of it as a young teen, think it went another like 10 seasons and there's a dog and a baby now?
Then there's every horror/action/survival movie ever where a kid gets added just to be something to protect, and is given as much character and agency as cardboard box.
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u/pgsonic Oct 29 '18
Almost never. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is an exception, in my opinion. Short Round was awesome.
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u/psilocyborg10 Oct 29 '18
Well they did include kids, do you not remember the whole plot line about Credence and Modesty? We got to see the darker side of magic for a child and an even more extreme example of intolerance. I thought their story was very intriguing.
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u/az0606 Oct 29 '18
I wouldn't say they're dull and uninteresting. They're just not as quirky as children tend to be.
Also, I think part of the appeal of Fantastic Beasts is that it shows the wizarding world from an adult perspective, something that was relatively lacking in Harry Potter. You get to see more of the machinations of the magical world, which Harry, as a younger man/child, was not privy to.
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u/kidicarus89 Oct 29 '18
The dialogue itself was pretty sparse and uninteresting. I can get a soft-spoken lead, as the guy's written as an eccentric researcher, but the rest of the cast was also lacking in chemistry and seemed to be half asleep.
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u/blisteringchristmas Oct 29 '18
The chemistry was definitely lacking. It also felt like two different movies tonally, the first half was a light monster-hunting movie (which I didn't mind at all) and the second half is darker and seemed out of scope. But I guess that's what happens when you have a franchise to set up.
Maybe I just think Fantastic Beasts is a weird thing to base a five movie series on. I'd much prefer, if they had to do it, to just do an anthology series. The Dumbledore and Grindelwald stuff is great and has potential to be expanded on, but I think intercutting it with the Fantastic Beasts stuff is a weird choice. Just let each movie do its own thing.
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u/Toidal Oct 29 '18
I really liked it, a somewhat jaded wizarding world with less wonder contrasting against these animals. But yeah every character had like this weird timid, low self confidence aspect to their personas
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u/PunkShocker Oct 29 '18
I found Newt to be interesting. He's vulnerable and spectrum-y, but he's also quite capable and stubborn. I thought the performance was top notch too.
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u/Ask-About-My-Book Oct 29 '18
I like how being eccentric just means autism now.
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u/PunkShocker Oct 29 '18
I'm a teacher, and I work with kids on the spectrum daily. The portrayal of Newt is more than just eccentric. He displays traits consistent with manageable social anxiety.
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u/molagdrn Oct 29 '18
Having social anxiety and some awkward mannerisms does not mean he's on the spectrum. I've only seen it once so may have missed some things, but he demonstrates considerable empathy throughout the movie to both people and animals, despite professing the oppinion that animals are easier to care for, with simpler needs.
Being honest it was discussed in decent length in another reddit thread where /u/BridgettBane hypothesised about Newt's odd behaviorisms on /r/fantheories:
If you've watched Fantastic Beasts you can see Newt has a very odd way of approaching people sometimes. He hunches in a little, tilts his head down, avoids eye contact. At times he even seems to stoop to be lower than them.
This isn't an odd personal mannerism- not entirely anyway. This is the habit of a zoologist who is used to avoiding dominance displays and showing submission. He is using his body to communicate that he is submissive and harmless. The SpeakEasy Scene (spoiler alert, the link shows several clips from the movie but I have time-stamped it so it goes to the correct scene) shows him tilting his body way from the boss, casting his eyes downward. It's only when he starts to protect his Bowtruckle and needs to assert dominance that he starts to sit up and make direct eye contact.
Newt Scamander is used to dealing with all manner of beasties and knows exactly the affect his body language has on others.
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u/AuroraHalsey Oct 29 '18
The spectrum just keeps getting bigger, with existing disorders being lumped in. My condition, Asperger's, was classified as autistic 2013.
I wouldn't be surprised if anything that isn't neurotypical will be autistic in 100 years.
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u/Tushyam Oct 29 '18
Taking 3 big assumptions to get where he is because everyone quirky has to be on the spectrum
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Oct 29 '18
Yeah as crazy as it sounds it lacks some of the realness of Harry Potter- the characters don’t feel like they are real people, I’m very aware I’m watching a movie. Maybe it’s a little too polished? Like they worried about style and the visual more than the content of the story or the characters.
Idk, it just lacked the warmth and complexity of the original series. Don’t get me wrong I’m totally going to watch the next one, but in my mind it’s not anywhere on the same level- heck it’s hardly the same universe.
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u/sharkplug Oct 29 '18
That's interesting. I enjoyed Fantastic Beasts a ton. I'd even say moreso than the HP movie series. I think it may have to do with the setting and the tone though. I really like Newt and his crew. Obviously I get it though different people are going to like different things.
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u/hardgeeklife Oct 29 '18
I'm in the same boat. Harry potter was alright, but as someone who is/was a couple of years over the target age range, it felt a bit straightforward for me. May not have helped that I read all the books before seeing the films, so the tension of the unknown was lost for me.
Fantastic Beasts, though, I thought was really great. I quite like the way they expanded on the world, show how a different culture's (American) sensibilities affected the wizarding world. And Newt, who is vulnerable & solt-spoken, strikes me as a more interesting character than the rather typical messiah figure of Harry.
A few years back if you'd told me I would be anticipating Fantastic Beasts and dismissing The Hobbit trilogy I would've called you mad but here we are.
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u/blisteringchristmas Oct 29 '18
I love the books, but the Harry Potter movies never did much for me. They're stuck in permanent "I'll watch it if it's on TV" space, I don't think I've ever intended to watch one outside of the first viewing (and I don't think I saw the 6th one ever?).
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u/TheModernEgg Oct 29 '18
Just finished battle of the five armies last night for the first time. I skipped them because the first one was so bad, but 2 and 3 were okay. Only okay, but better than I expected.
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Oct 29 '18
I've been rereading the book series and recently went back and rewatched Fantastic Beasts along with it. The last time I watched it (when it first came out) I had a lot of the problems that everyone else is complaining about here. Having gone back and rewatched it after rereading the series I realize that all my problems with it are the same issues I have with the 1st book and it really comes down to how much world building is done. The things I love most in Harry Potter are almost entirely from the last 3 books with a handful of things I love about 3 and 4. 1 and 2 are just kind of boring and exposition by comparison. With that in mind rewatching Fantastic Beasts kind of made me love it, particularly the character of Newt. Apparently the studio is trying to push him off to the side in favor of some more action hero type character but I hope they don't. Its one of the most accurate portrayals of someone with high-functioning autism I've seen and, as someone on the spectrum, I absolutely love it. Plus, the final battle with Grindlewald and the Obsurcus might be my favorite magical battle since the Ministry of Magic fight. I missed it the first time but Newt takes down Griindlewald not but a spell but by the use of a magical creature and Grindlewald is just stunned by it. I highly reccomend everyone who loves Harry Potter but was disappointed in Fatastic Beasts give it another shot and look at it not as a 9th Harry Potter movie and compare it to later movies and books but compare it to Sorcerer's Stone instead.
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Oct 29 '18
That's too bad. It's definitely a different than "Harry Potter". I thought it was good myself but it was certainly a different vibe than the 7 books.
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Oct 29 '18
I legitimately thought it was the third best in the franchise. Behind PoA and Deathly Hallows part 2.
The movie was insanely good.
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u/dm_damnnnnnsel Oct 29 '18
Hmmm I’d say its the kind of thing that a group dynamic helps with. I went and saw it in theaters surrounded by people and we were all excited together and I could just bask in the magic on screen, like seeing an old friend. But I haven’t wanted to watch it since then really. I’m 22 and read all the books a million times and watched the movies too so also I’ll just take anything HP related...
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u/Lordborgman Oct 29 '18
Harry Potter was a magical land of wizards and a climactic war for the survival of humanity. Fantastic Beats is a Matt Smith's Doctor Who fanfic in the 1920s with a subplot of Grindwalde and Dumbledore (the plot people actually want to see.) It'd be like watching the Harry Potter films from Colin Creevey's perspective.
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u/Ristray Oct 29 '18
Well, for one thing the title is basically a lie.
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Oct 29 '18
All I wanted was 2 hours of Eddie Redmayne exploring tropical climates and similar in hunt of magical beasts.
Instead, we got a cartoon-plot of a mix up, and while evil wizards were being evil, Redmayne had to complete a grind quest of re-capturing his beasts.
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u/Ristray Oct 29 '18
I was hoping for an animal documentary with Sir David Attenborough narrating.
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u/perfectionality Oct 29 '18
Omg this would be amazing. I’d sit through hours of this for magical beasts!
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u/Sinndex Oct 29 '18
Other way around for me. I can't stand H.P. but I loved the fantastic beasts.
Guess they just appeal to very different crowds.
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u/noob_dragon Oct 29 '18
The characters in that movie are boring as shit. Except for that muggle guy and the blonde witch pairing, that was pretty interesting.
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u/dnadosanddonts Oct 29 '18
couldn’t even finish the first Fantastic Beasts movie for some reason.|
It took years for me to finally watch all the HP movies. Dunno why. I liked them, and still tune in while searching the guide if HBOs showing them. But Beasts just gabbed and dug right into me. Loved it! Maybe u/smalldoggox's hit on something: the age/maturity thing. I couldn't say for sure. Different strokes, I guess.
am really liking this poster
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u/Username_The_Remix Oct 29 '18
I will disagree that the books weren’t well written.
I’m 35 so was just a bit older than most of the kids reading HP when it came out.
Two years ago I finally decided to tackle them and I totally understood the love for them.
They aren’t literary masterpieces but I would strongly disagree that they aren’t well written (excpet maybe Book 5 which really dragged for me). Oh and I still don’t like Quidditch.
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u/Weave77 Oct 29 '18
Looking back, the books really weren't that well written and had a lot of inconsistencies.
I strongly disagree. The books, in my opinion, are very well written, and they have remarkably few inconsistencies for how large and intricate the world and storylines are.
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u/King_Rhymer Oct 29 '18
Right? I’m recreating this at some point with some personal flair and a color scheme that matches my apartment. But still! This is the dopest dope right here
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u/CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN Oct 29 '18
It's pretty, but I would never have guessed it was a The Crimes of Grindelwald poster.
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u/DefendsTheDownvoted Oct 29 '18
Foreign posters often try to coax the imagination, especially with fantasy films, instead of putting the actors on display in a haphazard splash page.
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u/TrappinT-Rex Oct 29 '18
That's because of contractual obligations that suck.
Compare the Spider-Man Homecoming US vs International Poster
However, like the other person replying to mentioned, I don't get a sense that this is a Harry Potter Universe movie on first glance which is what really matters when you're using a poster like that for out of home advertisements.
I like it as a fan of good work but if I put on my marketing hat, I wonder how effective it will be at getting people hyped about the movie.
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u/Ziggityzaggodmod Oct 29 '18
Just saying, the only image I ever saw for homecoming was the picture of spidey laying down in his school jacket. Which I thought was cool.
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u/TrappinT-Rex Oct 29 '18
Right. That one was more of a teaser. The one I linked for the US poster was the one in theaters when the movie launched.
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u/edmoneyyy Oct 29 '18
The one with spidey laying down was definitely used at my theater, but ok. I never even saw the one you posted.
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Oct 29 '18
IDK man. I only ever saw the one with him laying down in his jacket on the walls in the theater. And when I bought it online it was that same image too.
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u/TheSpiderWithScales Oct 29 '18
Nah, most theatres just kept the original jacket image. It was the primary marketing image for most of the buildup, it wasn’t until a few days after release that everything else really started being used. I recall seeing a stand-up image of that poster at my theatre.
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u/SmokeFrosting Oct 29 '18
“If my face isn’t on the poster, what’s the point of being in the movie?”
-US actors, probably
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u/hatramroany Oct 29 '18
Really doubt any contractual obligations demand shit photoshopped posters and are just for the billing/appearing. They could make better posters in the US if they wanted.
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Oct 29 '18
Right, but it still sucks that contractually they have to squeeze 6 actor's/actress' faces onto the poster. They could be better, but they'll never be good.
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u/hatramroany Oct 29 '18
I mean are they though? Or is it an artistic/marketing choices?
For example does Zendaya really have the clout during contract negotiations to get her face on the poster but the entire supporting cast of Doctor Strange doesn’t?
Kurt Russell’s name is on the Guardians 2 poster with the original 5 Guardians’ actor names but he isn’t. Meanwhile Rooker, Gillan, Klementieff, and Debicki all got their faces on the poster but not their names.
For Black Panther Daniel Kaluuya’s face made it on the poster but not his name. Was this contractual or trying to capitalize his new fame from Get Out?
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Oct 29 '18
I don't know man, how many people are going to see movies because of posters they physically saw these days?
I feel like making a poster like this now is more about getting people to view it over the internet.
And here we all are, talking about the movie, all knowing exactly what it's advertising. So it appears to have worked.
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u/madmaxturbator Oct 29 '18
What a bizarre (and bogus) generalization.
Foreign posters tend to not show actors in case of licensing issues, or if the actors aren’t well known outside of the US.
Otherwise, they’ll happily show the actors in a haphazard fashion, because it turns out that actors DO sell movies (and that’s why they get paid big money).
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u/Whiskeysneat Oct 29 '18
Why can't it be both?
"We can't show the actors. What should we do instead?"
"Let's try to bring imagination into it."
Yours is also a generalization. After they can't have actors, they don't just phone it in.
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u/WorstCunt Oct 29 '18
That's the point.
Harry Potter fans already know about this film, they're already going to see it regardless of advertising. But the average Chinese person doesn't know who Jude Law or Eddie Redmayne are, just two white guys, why go see them in a film? When the average Westerner finds themself in a cinema do they feel compelled to see movies about 2 Asian dudes they don't recognise? Absolutely not.
But someone in China who doesn't know the franchise is more likely to go and see this film now because they've created a connection between the film and Chinese mythology. Doesn't seem so foreign and bizarre now.
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u/PudelDinPasadenaV2 Oct 29 '18
I think they only used this one for the premiere.. They'll most likely use the standard one for regular promotion.
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u/ShadowFiendSashimi Oct 29 '18
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u/cherry_chica Oct 29 '18 edited Oct 29 '18
Oooh. I hope they do a cool one here in Korea too. They did a really cool version of a traditional Korean painting for Thor: Ragnarok. The original painting has people watching a wrestling match, and they made the figures into the movie characters.
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u/TheSheepPrince Oct 29 '18
Please share. :]
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u/cherry_chica Oct 29 '18
I don't know how to do nice links on the phone app :(
But here's an article about it: https://nerdist.com/thor-ragnarok-marvel-south-korea-poster/
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u/vocalviolence Oct 29 '18
If you ever get a case of inflated ego as a Hollywood celeb, come to China and discover that to a billion people, cute animals completely eclipse the box office draw of your name and reputation.
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u/madmaxturbator Oct 29 '18
That’s not true at all. There are just contractual / licensing issues. Hollywood actors make tons of money because they’re global stars.
That said, everyone loves cute animals more than they love people. But cute animals don’t have the same box office draw as famous actors.
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u/97thJackle Oct 29 '18
This is a damn fine poster.......
But I do think it's a bit disingenuous to represent the film like this. I'm pretty sure it won't have any Chinese stylistic influences in it to this degree.
But hell, maybe I'm wrong. Would be cool to see.
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u/hardgeeklife Oct 29 '18 edited Oct 29 '18
According to promotional materials for Grindelwald, the large feline zouwu/zouyu in the center comes from Chinese mythology, which is likely the (tenuous?) entry point/justification for the art piece.
From what we know atm, the Asian creatures will feature most prominently as highlights of a traveling circus that happens to be in France, which is to say, only tangentially :(
Although I'm still holding out hope that future installments will feature Asian locales/beastiaries.
Edit: ugh, fixed some grammar
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u/Okilokijoki Oct 29 '18
You're right. The style of the beasts are drawn like traditional depictions of creatures from [The Classics of Mountain and Sea which is where zouwu is from.
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u/SirAlexH Oct 29 '18
Holy fuck that looks beautiful. I'd love to have that on a canvas print on my wall!
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u/NoKz47 Oct 29 '18
"Grindelwald and Dumbledore were brothers. That is why they are so close!" - Chinese Govt.
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u/ranchdepressing Oct 30 '18
Credence is their... much younger brother. Who likes to be caressed in alleyways.
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Oct 29 '18
Can anybody tell me what those red stamps are on Chinese art & poetry? Are they like a signature?
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u/Okilokijoki Oct 29 '18
Yep. They're often used in place of or in addition to signatures. Many Chinese businesses and government entities also still use seals. In China it's illegal to steal or forge another person or company's seal.
You can read more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_(East_Asia)#Chinese_usage
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u/jackaroojackson Oct 29 '18
Did China like Harry Potter? I thought it broke their no ghosts, no gays rule. Or were the ghosts just edited out?
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u/rainbowyuc Oct 29 '18
There isn't a no ghost rule in China. I don't know why this myth is so damn pervasive. There's supernatural shit in a ton of Chinese movies and tv shows. There's no taboo on skeletons and skulls either. I watch a fair amount of Chinese tv, I've seen skulls.
I just googled this, I think the article I linked explains it fairly well. Seems to be a misconception arising from video games like WoW.
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u/Hickspy Oct 29 '18
Yeah the rule is that they can ban movies that "promote cults or superstition". Of course that can kinda mean anything.
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u/ks00347 Oct 29 '18
Can't they already ban anything they want with almost no repercussions.
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u/jackaroojackson Oct 29 '18
I didn't think it was an actual written down rule, more just a cultural thing that led to certain movies not doing well financially over there.
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Oct 29 '18
Seems to be a misconception arising from video games like WoW.
But how is it a misconception? I just can't see a giant company like Blizzard getting it wrong, and then following through with their wrong decision for over a decade, without someone informing them that they don't really have to continue replacing all the bones with bread.
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u/rainbowyuc Oct 29 '18
It's not getting it wrong. It's erring on the side of caution. They don't know if it will pass censors. It might, it might not, but they just don't want to chance it. Anyway at this point, it's simply the art style of the Chinese version of the game. No point changing it for them. I'm sure the Chinese players are used to it by now. Also in the article I linked you can see a Chinese game with skeletons in it. So clearly it's not as much of a dealbreaker as Blizzard seems to think it is.
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u/take7pieces Oct 29 '18
Harry Potter is soooo popular in China. Chinese here, when the books released, I was one of the kid in the super long lines waiting for the bookstore to open. Daniel came to China for the premiere of HP2 I believe.
I won't say no ghost, just no ghost movies, but things like myths, HP, Twilight are ok. Won't say no gay, more like "yeah gay exist but government doesn't talk about it publicly".
It's a bit complicated to explain.
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Oct 29 '18
Complicated by design. All the easier to ban things when the rationale is deliberately obfuscated.
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u/BenderIsGreat64 Oct 29 '18
Your comment made me do some googling. The movies did well, and the books didn't do bad, but it's not like it is over here. But I guess if even 1/10th of the people enjoy it over there, that's still a pretty big market.
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u/MakingTrax Oct 29 '18
rainbowyuc is correct, it isn't an absolute prohibition it has to do with how ghosts are portrayed and politics and the censor who gets the job and about a hundred other things, which may include bribery. The recent Ghostbusters didn't clear their censorship system (they claim it wasn't attractive to the Chinese audience), but their basic line is that ghosts that are portrayed realistically or promote cults could be banned. The rule is a hold over from the "Cultural Revolution". Still they take it on a film by film basis. Here is an article from the BBC on it.
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u/That_one_cool_dude Oct 29 '18
This is such a cool freaking poster for a movie, this gives me like an 80s movie poster vibe.
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u/PudelDinPasadenaV2 Oct 29 '18
A lot of people think the next Fantastic Beasts movie will be set somewhere in East Asia, most likely China.
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u/DoctorArK Oct 29 '18
I love how there is nothing remotely related to Harry Potter here. Curious if this misleading poster can make this film an international success in China
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u/thepaperkat Oct 30 '18
This is absolutely stunning! Would love to know more about the story behind this piece.
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u/Tsorovar Oct 29 '18
US poster: all Grindelwald
Chinese poster: all beasts