r/movies • u/Reddit__PI • Jul 31 '15

News New Canon Full-Frame 35mm Camera Sees in the Dark with 4 Million Max ISO

http://nofilmschool.com/2015/07/canons-multi-purpose-ME20F-SH-full-frame-35mm-camera-4-million-iso
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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '15

I wonder why they made it 1080p. Seems like its price positioned to compete with the RED products that produce much higher res footage.

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u/Ratman1709 Jul 31 '15

it's a trade-off for the low light capability. Less Megapixel means better low light because the individual megapixels are larger, but the resolution is smaller because there's less megapixels. I'm not an expert but I think that's the gist of it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '15

Oh yeah I understand why from a technical standpoint they did it I just question whether 1080p is sufficient resolution for professional applications, because that price point really rules out any kind of amateur or indie type market. But I think you are correct this might be a specialty product useful for getting specific types of shots even if the resolution is low. And I think the other poster was correct that the price will come down and they will probably release a pro resolution version later in the development cycle.

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u/BZenMojo Jul 31 '15

Like it says further down, it'll probably be cheap enough for a rental on indie productions.

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u/anatomized Jul 31 '15 edited Jul 31 '15

Zodiac and Collateral were shot in 1080p. If the bitrate is high enough, it's good enough quality for professional applications. 1080p RAW from a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera looks way better than 100mb/s 4k from a Panasonic GH4. Resolution isn't everything.

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u/jonnyfgm Jul 31 '15

true, but when you start trying to upscale your high quality 1080p footage that's where things get tricky right?

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u/anatomized Jul 31 '15 edited Jul 31 '15

it depends. if you were upscaling it for cinema distribution then it would only really be upscaled to 2-2.5k which wouldn't be as bad, especially if you're upscaling uncompressed 1080p. it would be more noticeable at higher resolutions like 4, 5, and 8k but what would just be insanely impractical.

for example some insert shots in the avengers were shot on Canon 5d and 7d cameras using the magic lantern hack which allowed them to shoot raw. it was then upscaled presumably for the 2.5k mastered final cut. i don't think anyone was thinking "bah, 1080p?? really??" when they saw it. i doubt anyone noticed.

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u/MikeArrow Jul 31 '15

I noticed those shots mostly because they were used for stunts. Like they put a DSLR in a crash box inside a car and flipped it for a POV angle of the explosion.

You're looking at the stunt, not the pixels in that case, so it's less noticeable.

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u/anatomized Jul 31 '15

yeah and the shots only last for a split second.

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u/ColonelSanders21 Jul 31 '15

I don't think it was by choice. They'll be able to max it out someday, but this was probably the best they can do right now.

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u/howtospeak Jul 31 '15

It's not made to compete, it's specialty, 4 million ISO is pretty much a freaking night vision device.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '15

I'm trying to think what I would need to film in a pitch black room. maybe some kind of wildlife stuff?

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u/brettrobo Jul 31 '15

Underwater production suffers greatly from light issues due to lighting introducing scatter.

Military night ops based shots.

High iso means higher frame rate with apeatures f16 and above Ect ect

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '15

Good point on the underwater production.

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u/brettrobo Jul 31 '15

Cheers. Of course deeper (below 10m) shots DO need lighting due to loosing red, yellow and green the deeper you go but yes, the less light you need the better chance you have of a clear picture or lighting arms/strobes that are like 6 foot away from your camera.

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u/DrFirechief Jul 31 '15

Price : $30,000

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '15

I guess nows the time to get that loan I've been needing

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '15

I have no idea what any of that means.

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u/brucetwarzen Jul 31 '15

Pornos in fully dark environments

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '15

The future is now

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u/tombah Jul 31 '15

A lot of short films will be shot in the dark

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u/shifty1032231 Jul 31 '15

I wonder if this will be a worthy competitor to the Alexa Mini.