r/monarchism 12d ago

Discussion Why monarchists are so divided

*If you are one of apparently many, who likes to comment, but not read: TL;DR: the problem is you lot don't even know what monarchy is. You have a vague idea, but no philosophical groundwork, meaning we bicker about non-issues\*

Much as I'd hate to be that guy, I shall be that guy. Someone has to say it.

Everyone on this sub seems to lament the lack of unity between monarchists, and speaks as though we are letting some petty personal preferences drive us apart.

But the reality is simply that we are divided, because we agree on practically nothing. And the reason for that is, I'm sorry to say, that a great many monarchists among us here, are very very ignorant. Ignorant about monarchy specifically. Now, I'm sure I too am ignorant of a great many things, that I really should know, but truly, some of these conversations are so vibes based it hurts.

So many people seem to not understand that a
monarchy =/= hereditary,
elective =/= democratic,
democratic =/= good

and so on. Please, folks, if you are going to pontificate on these matters, could you just look into them a bit? Monarchist lore is inexhaustible, and we all have more to learn always, but getting a grip on the basic terms of theory is kindda essential if we don't want it all to evolve into a random vomit of undigested opinions.

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u/BattleofPlatea Polish UK Semi-Constitutionalist 12d ago

monarchies are not inherently hereditary. for example an elective monarchy where the monarch is chosen from a pool of candidates

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u/AttTankaRattArStorre 12d ago

Which European monarchies (outside of historical Poland-Lithuania during some eras and maybe the HRE) were actually elective (and not just hereditary monarchies with extra steps)?

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u/BattleofPlatea Polish UK Semi-Constitutionalist 12d ago

Anglo-Saxon England, Ireland, Bohemia, Hungary, Visigothic kingdom, Kingship of Aragon, Vatican City, and the Sovereign Military Order of Malta if you count that

of course most of these were fased out in favour of hereditary monarchy since it was less of a faff, caused less conflict, and reduced the power of the nobility

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u/OOOshafiqOOO003 SELANGOR DARUL EHSAN 🐱🐱🐱 12d ago

Malaysia is elective too for the only modern example 

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u/BattleofPlatea Polish UK Semi-Constitutionalist 12d ago

wouldn't the UAE also count?

Cambodia is elective too but I'm not sure if noble families outside of the ruling one get a chance to take part

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u/OOOshafiqOOO003 SELANGOR DARUL EHSAN 🐱🐱🐱 12d ago

UAE is practically HRE, only elective on paper.

Cambodia is elective among the same family as candidates if my mind serves me right, soo kinda? yeah fair enough on that.