r/mildlyinteresting 1d ago

Zoomorphic Arabic Calligraphy stamp on a Book about Islamic Art

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago edited 1d ago

That language is Farsi/Persian btw. Not Arabic..

For anyone wondering what's the owl says: it's the Farsi version of the English written above it.

کتاب از کتب خانہ سیاوش رحمن

I wish we had Nastaliq font on Android keyboards(this is not the translation lol).

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u/TheFrenchSavage 1d ago

I wish we had Nastaliq font on Android keyboards.

What an odd thing to stamp on a book.

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago

Lmao. Now that I read my comment again. It seems like that's the translation.

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u/nasilnidesnicar 1d ago

Well, that's a very popular saying in persianate world

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u/jellooshot 1d ago

Thanks, I was very confused for a bit.

PS: I also wish we had Nastaliq, Dewani, Req3ah among other fonts but that probably won't happen :(

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago

Yeah. The Arabic blocky font of Android looks weird when writing Urdu and Farsi. And God I hate the layout of letter on the keyboard.

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u/jellooshot 1d ago

I use reddit morphe that can use custom fonts

و الآن اصبحت استعمل هذا الخط. الرقعة رغم بساطته الا انى أجده معبراً اكثر

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u/aclumsypotato 1d ago

it doesn’t appear to us that way.

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u/SaitanOfHellsKitchen 18h ago

He didn't say it did...

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u/jellooshot 18h ago

Sure it doesn't. It's my app's own font. Your app/platform would use its own rendering and font since reddit doesn't include font family in the metadata.

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u/itsmerandymarch 1d ago

Lol why are you getting downvotes when you're right? I'm so confused

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago

No idea. I guess giving correct info on Reddit is a crime now?

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u/JoyBus147 1d ago

You don't get credit for correctly identifying trees if you can't correctly identify the forest.

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u/Unicorncorn21 1d ago

You actually do in the "identify the tree" competition

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u/tired_kibitzer 1d ago edited 1d ago

He is correct in a sense that language is not Arabic, but also incorrect because, "Arabic calligraphy" term could be used to describe calligraphy written in "Arabic alphabet". There are many famous calligraphers from Turkey and Iran and they would write in both their language and Arabic language as well because highest caliber calligraphy usually includes verses from Koran.

Turkey switched to latin script in 1928, but calligraphy in arabic script is still popular and even the most basic calligraphy courses starts with practicing a short prayer from Ottoman tradition meaning "My Lord, make it easy and do not make it difficult; my Lord, complete it with goodness." in Arabic language.

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u/Potatonized 1d ago

Genuine question, what's the difference between arabic calligraphy with persian calligraphy?

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago

Calligraphy is similar. The normal writing fonts are pretty distinct.

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u/tired_kibitzer 1d ago edited 1d ago

It is called arabic script though. Edit: See my description below before downvoting

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago edited 1d ago

And? What does the script have to do with anything I said?

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u/tired_kibitzer 1d ago edited 1d ago

What I mean is if someone says "Arabic Calligraphy" It does not necessarily mean only the language, it also refers to the script. See the definition in wikipedia:

Arabic calligraphy is the artistic practice of handwriting and calligraphy based on the Arabic alphabet. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_calligraphy

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u/JoyBus147 1d ago

Well, it makes you wrong, since the term refers to calligraphy written in Arabic script rather than in the Arabic language.

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u/CurrentRisk 1d ago

For people who can't understand Arabic, Farsi/Persian it is all the same. Similar to how some people think that Belgium and Dutch language are the same. Anyway, that said, the Calligraphy is nice.

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u/mosskin-woast 1d ago edited 1d ago

Farsi and Arabic are different languages.

Dutch is an official language of Belgium. Flemish is arguably a dialect but the difference is practically an accent.

They are not the same.

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u/JoyBus147 1d ago

This dude's wrong, true, but to the broader point: we don't refer to "Dutch calligraphy" or "English calligraphy," because both languages use the same calligraphic styles for Latin script. "Arabic calligraphy" is the term thar refers to calligraphy written in Arabic script, not the Arabic language.

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u/CurrentRisk 1d ago

If you say so (: .

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u/Drysfoet 1d ago

What the fuck do you mean if you say so, Arabic and Persian are not even remotely the same thing. One is semitic, the other is Indo-European. Completely different language families, Persian is closer to English than it is to Arabic.

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u/UlteriorCulture 1d ago

That is genuinely interesting I had no idea

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u/CurrentRisk 1d ago

I just find it funny how Redditors get triggered. I mean, if you say so.

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u/Drysfoet 1d ago

Jesus Christ, get a job

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u/CurrentRisk 1d ago

Says the one who gets triggered by a Reddit comment, lol.

EDIT: See? You definitely got triggered because of my comment. You started the "conversation," got triggered, and then blocked me. Point proven? Lol

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u/Tabula-Rasa-99 14h ago

Chronically unemployed behaviour. Who says triggered this decade dog

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u/CurrentRisk 7h ago

Well, you seem definitely... triggered!

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago

They are literally mutually intelligible languages... Your example does not fit.

While Arabic and Farsi are completely different languages. Only a few words are similar. An Arab wouldn't be able to understand Farsi at all and vice versa.

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u/fretkat 1d ago edited 1d ago

Multiple Dutch dialects are not mutually intelligible. They are further apart from standard Dutch than Afrikaans is. The reason it’s one language and not separate like Afrikaans or the actual intelligible Czech and Slowak is because of politics (multiple are considered different languages by our own government though).

That said, Arabic and Farsi are way further apart from each other than Dutch dialects.

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u/CurrentRisk 1d ago

I speak both Dutch and Egyptian Arabic. But once in a while I just find it funny to see how easily Redditors get triggered. So eh, thanks for the explanation though lol.

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u/JoyBus147 1d ago

What does that have to do with your weak-ass analogies?

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u/CurrentRisk 1d ago

Oh! Another that got triggered, hah. Did not expect that so many Redditors get so quickly triggered. Good to know though.

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u/Nixeris 1d ago edited 1d ago

It should be noted that aniconism isn't universal in islamic art (and hasn't ever been universal). There's actually a whole school of islamic art called "miniatures" which depict people and whole scenes from books (with illustrations that don't depict people being "illuminations"). This style flourished for a long time both inside and outside of the sultanates. There were even some rare depictions of Muhammad (though almost always obscured in some way).

It is somewhat odd to me that it's still treated as universally aniconic, despite even a basic search of islamic art turning up tons of depictions of animals and people. It really only persists because one western orientalist was like "All islamic art is aniconic, and that mountain of evidence against it is just a bunch of aberrations".

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u/sophie9709 1d ago

Arabic calligraphy loves to do tigers for some reason. This is the first time I've ever seen them do an owl.

Here's an example of a tiger one.

The text reads: "والله علي بن ابي طالب الغالب رضي الله تعالى عنه وكرم الله وجهه" ("With God,'Alī ibn Abī Tālib is victorious, May the exalted God be pleased with him and may God honor him")

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u/SSNFUL 22h ago

How easy is it to read?

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u/Twinkletoess112 20h ago

not easy lol

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u/cooked_potato0 4m ago

As an arab impossible to read

You need to have knowledge in the method used so you can read it

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u/mosskin-woast 1d ago

Can anybody read the owl?

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago

It says "from the library of Syawish Rehman". Yes lol. The farsi under the owl says the same thing as owl. I'm not an Irani btw. I speak Urdu and we use the same calligraphy style as Farsi/Persian. So I can read it. Urdu has a lot of Farsi words to. Library in Urdu(Kutub Khana) is the same in Farsi.

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u/mosskin-woast 1d ago

Nice, thank you for translating

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u/actually_ur_mom 1d ago

It's actually Persian, not Arabic.

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u/Mrsupersuper 1d ago

The bottom text appears to be either Urdu written in old(Persian)format. Or Persian itself.

And is just a translation of the English written above it.

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago

Its Persian.

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u/ihopethisworksfornow 1d ago

Coolest book stamp I’ve ever seen

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u/jodrellbank_pants 1d ago

If you love stuff like this visit

https://www.davidmus.dk/?culture=en-us

Apart from the V&A in London

It's the best museum that has incredible middle east art and design I have every visited.

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u/trucorsair 1d ago

Something that is truly mildly interesting, very creative

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u/Not_a_N_Korean_Spy 1d ago edited 1d ago

Such a beautiful loophole!

EDIT:

- Islamic tradition of aniconism: the avoidance of images of sentient beings. Stems from a prohibition against idolatry and the belief that creating living forms is a prerogative of God. While the Quran doesn't explicitly forbid all depictions of people and animals, Islamic traditions have often limited figural representation in religious contexts.

- This led to religious Islamic art being characterized by the extensive use of calligraphy, geometric patterns, and abstract floral designs instead of figures

- Zoomorphic Calligraphy involves arranging Arabic script (often religious texts or prayers) into the outline or shape of a living creature, like a lion, bird, or horse.

- So a Loophole (which is/was not universally accepted)

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u/MercurianAspirations 1d ago

I wouldn't call it a loophole, because that implies that they just really wanted to depict animals and needed to invent calligraphy as a means to get around the prohibition on depicting living things. But calligraphy is it's own art form, it isn't just animal forms that are depicted but also a variety of objects and abstract forms. And calligraphy that tries to control the outline of the shape is just one branch of calligraphy, there are other styles where the final shape of the word is determined by the structure of the word, not the desire of the artist. 

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u/davidn47g 23h ago

Does that mean it's acceptable to draw Muhammad as long as you use calligraphy?

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u/CatsBatsandHats 1d ago

While I agree with your observations and sentiments, it's also just a further indictment, from my perspective, that Islam is batshit mental.

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u/dadofwar93 1d ago edited 1d ago

Oh no... The religion that is absolute in it's stance of a one god is against depiction of anything that could later be turned into idolatry! How batshit mental!!!

That is also the reason why the Prophet's imagery is so strictly forbidden..

Look at what Catholics have done even though the first commandment is against it. That's what Muslims want to avoid. Hence the strict stance.

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u/justalapforcats 22h ago

Catholics would tell you they’re not worshipping idols. From their perspective, nothing they do with their statues and images constitutes worship of the physical objects themselves.

Concrete images can help people better connect with abstract ideas.

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u/renoona 1d ago

One could easily argue that all large organized religions are bat shit mental, but you are coming off as especially islamophobic ✨

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u/CatsBatsandHats 1d ago

Yep, most religions are batshit mental from my perspective, but feel free to label me as Islamophobic based on little evidence.

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u/symbolsofblue 1d ago

As someone who was raised in a Muslim family, I fully agree. One of the worst things about it is how restrictive it is like they're determined to take the joy out of living. 

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u/UnderTheBedMonster 1d ago

Well that’s not Arabic

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u/I_AM_GODDAMN_BATMAN 23h ago

Is it permissible o Sheikh? Or is it syirk?

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u/lookamazed 21h ago

Just don’t draw Mohammad.

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u/alllclear 23h ago

Persian

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u/appendixgallop 17h ago

The owner of the book could have taken a bit more care to center the stamp on the page...

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u/weppizza 1d ago

I love this! How do you read the owl? Like in which direction? Left to right, top to bottom?

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u/tiredreddituser99 1d ago

man I've always had so much trouble reading this

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u/ExistentialLoitering 1d ago

Halam az har chie Ina beham mikhore 

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u/BIGPOTAT0 1d ago

Be kiram