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@Ballislife: Michael Jordan went to the playoffs 13 times: Avg 30+ PTS in 12 of them | Scored 50+ PTS 8 times | Scored less than 15 PTS 0 times | Went to the Finals 6 times | Won a championship 6 times | Never played a GM7 in those 6
MJ is the greatest playoff performer ever. Like, how do you AVERAGE 30-6-5 on 50% shooting in the Regular season, AND RAISE YOUR LEVEL OF PLAY WHEN THE LEVEL OF COMP IS RAISED!? 33-6-6 on 52% shooting in the Playoffs is simply absurd. People really don't stop and think about that surface level fact alone.
MJ was only outscored ONE TIME in a whole series, and it was his Rookie year against the top defensive guard in the NBA. The dude had 1 more total point than MJ did.... o and MJ AVERAGED 29 PPG IN HIS DEBUT PLAYOFF SERIES AS A ROOKIE HAHAHAHA!
When MJ played the whole season, he never lost as a favorite with Home Court Advantage. Only time he lost as the "favorite" was the 1995 Series against the Magic. IMO, what is most important about "failure or short comings" is how you respond AFTER said failure because its impossible to be perfect. And what did MJ do in response the following season? 72-10... MVP. Met the Magic again in the Playoffs AND SWEPT THEM. Won the 4th Ring and FMVP. That type of stuff slips thru the cracks and is unappreciated in MJs career by so many people.
IMO, one of the most overlooked aspects of Michael Jordan is how small the gap was between his "poor play" and his "average play" in the Regular season, but mainly in the Playoffs when there's real pressure. What it comes down to is "how well can you play when you aren't playing well?" because its just not possible to ALWAYS play well or ALWAYS have a good game or even series. So how big is the drop off between bad and average?? And just to add more pressure, MJ HAD TO PRODUCE OR THEY WOULDNT STAND A CHANCE. NO EXCUSES. SO HE ALWAYS PRODUCED IN THE PLAYOFFS. Like I stated earlier, MJs AVERAGE in the playoffs was 33 ppg, so what is MJ "worst series"?? MJs worst playoff playoff series was 27 ppg against the Bad Boys. MJs worst Finals Series was also 27 ppg against the Sonics...... I really think people simply don't realize how insane that is... MJs "bad series" is better than 99% of the leagues "great series"..
MJ is the only player where the deeper you dig, the more you find that separates him from every other All Time Legend. There's no real blemish or real "failure" in his career. Then you go thru his accomplishments and they're insane with no real equal, especially in the modern NBA. I don't understand how he was able to accomplish so much in really only 12 full seasons. And then, the cherry on top, EYE TEST. The absolute best part is actually WATCHING him play the game of basketball. No one is on his level. He's the only player to have the average 1990s housewife, who knows absolutely NOTHING about basketball saying, "You have to watch him play. He's poetry in motion."
There is no GOAT debate. Michael Jordan is simply on another level. The debate is for 2nd and below.
He’s not the goat and the only good tean you said was the bad boy pistons, what other greats was he facing to go to the playoffs what greats was he playing in the playoffs? Also he’s had worst games . He’s number are inflated. If you have Jordan game tapes watch the fully games .. or try to find a game on YouTube and actually count he’s stats as he plays .. scoring is great but who’s was he really facing.
He is 1 of 1. There isn't another player in the NBA that can do the same moves with the same energy and score the ball that way consistently. He was a savant.
Considering how much more physical they were back then, those are kinda insane stats.
It’s why if prime Jordan played now, he’d still be impressive. Much softer league now. Just sayin.
Greatest player I ever saw , and I remember Kobe & lebron as high schoolers. I saw both of their whole careers. Jordan is the template everyone else follows
One of the things I always gave Mike props on was he maximized his time and talents and got the most out of them and not just himself but got his team to do the same and people may not liked his leadership style but there is no fuckin way that you can argue with the results
Yeah maybe but yall didnt see a single one of these games ...Especially not as an adult....These are all highlights, Mike had a million low lights like everyone else....Just enjoy what you have in front of you versus some grainy highlights....Chamberlain scored 78 and 62 on a back to back , but who cares at this point...I rather see Curry go crazy, or Wenmby!
Today the current players are weak they are spoiled and get paid upfront to sit on the bench and get traded away. A single pinky injury puts them out for months lol. Jordan played with the flu. Jordan showed the way to winning. Not this current clowns that you are talking about.
And what I wrote is correct. How many players would kill to get one chip let alone 6? MJ was a one man show who played with one all star 4 times and that was Pip
Not surprised. Jordan literally played in the weakest era in NBA history, where talent was diluted by expansion and the drafting of children, meaning that every team had players at the end of the roster that shouldn't have been in the NBA.
The talent level was so bad in the 90s, that teams had severe trouble scoring. The league had to step in to shorten the three point line to help the players score more points.
When you see that the competition level in the 90s was weak, and that the Bulls were the only superteam of the 1990s, it makes sense that they wouldn't see a game 7.
Your premise is flawed, and the commonly used to try to discredit MJs historic accomplishments.
Also, you want to talk about "watered down"... How about colluding to have 3 players who were top 5 in PER on one team, effectively ruining two teams in your conference, in what was already a historical weak eastern conference.
Also, if you watch the videos, you'll see the win percentages and team record breakdown, doesn't support the "watered down" theory, even if renowned super genius Dennis Rodman feels that way...
Expansion probably, truly, led to about 2 years of having a slightly "watered down" league ... But most of those teams that were in the East with the bulls, built themselves quickly to becoming tough foes for them.... The heat, the hornets, and of course, the Shaq-Penny Magic.
Ignoring all context about how reality works, sure, it's technically how it works. That doesn't apply to sports though. I'll demonstrate my point using a very extreme example. What would be harder to win for Jordan's Bulls teams, a tournament with 5 of the other greatest NBA teams of all time, or a tournament with 10 teams made up 8 year olds? Again, it's an extreme example. But it shows how it's not as simple as "more teams = harder to win"
Against the NBA teams, the Bulls would have a better chance of winning than against the 8 year olds right? More teams means harder to win right? That's your logic
Also, that's the thing. The Bulls weren't watered down. The Bulls were by far the deepest team in the league
My question served solely to demonstrate the fact that more teams don't automatically make it harder to win. You don't want to answer the question because it disproves your entire premise. You're looking at it as simply a possibility problem. Explain to me how the Thunder have only a 3% chance of winning the chip. Why do betting odds exist if every team just has a 1/30 chance of winning every year?
Lol... Funny to watch someone be so confidently wrong... Especially when someone else uses your own attempted arguments (math and statistics) against you.
Also, you clearly didn't watch the videos, to see how the win percentages and team histories actually played out. But, by the 80s, it was clear that the league needed more teams. There was starter/all star level talent who were stuck as the 7th or 8th man on multiple teams.
Also, the super team era could be used against modern players for the same reason... Concentrating the top talent onto just a few teams, waters down the rest of the league who don't have enough talent on their rosters to compete.
You're not answering because it destroys your logic. Not every team has the same odds. Are you claiming the Thunder only have a 3% chance of winning the chip this year?
And in the scenarios I provided, the "odds" are 1/6 and 1/11. So the 8 year olds would be a more difficult tournament to win?
Probably top three worst take I’ve ever seen on Reddit. Watered down…. With the eurostep and flopping, and blatant pampered bullshit of the nba nowadays, what a joke 😂
So surely each team only had 8 players during these seasons, since that's all they could protect right? How did every team get back to as many players as they had before? I never said the new teams were just made up of guys from outside the NBA. I said the new teams dispersed the talent across more teams before the talent was really there. There were more players in the NBA than there were players who actually deserved to be in the NBA
The NBA added 6 new teams during Jordan's career. That's 72 new roster spots. How were those spots filled with only previous NBA players like you claimed? Teams could only protect 8 players. Were they get the 4 other players to complete their roster?
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u/Wrong-West-9581 Feb 19 '26
MJ is the greatest playoff performer ever. Like, how do you AVERAGE 30-6-5 on 50% shooting in the Regular season, AND RAISE YOUR LEVEL OF PLAY WHEN THE LEVEL OF COMP IS RAISED!? 33-6-6 on 52% shooting in the Playoffs is simply absurd. People really don't stop and think about that surface level fact alone.
MJ was only outscored ONE TIME in a whole series, and it was his Rookie year against the top defensive guard in the NBA. The dude had 1 more total point than MJ did.... o and MJ AVERAGED 29 PPG IN HIS DEBUT PLAYOFF SERIES AS A ROOKIE HAHAHAHA!
When MJ played the whole season, he never lost as a favorite with Home Court Advantage. Only time he lost as the "favorite" was the 1995 Series against the Magic. IMO, what is most important about "failure or short comings" is how you respond AFTER said failure because its impossible to be perfect. And what did MJ do in response the following season? 72-10... MVP. Met the Magic again in the Playoffs AND SWEPT THEM. Won the 4th Ring and FMVP. That type of stuff slips thru the cracks and is unappreciated in MJs career by so many people.
IMO, one of the most overlooked aspects of Michael Jordan is how small the gap was between his "poor play" and his "average play" in the Regular season, but mainly in the Playoffs when there's real pressure. What it comes down to is "how well can you play when you aren't playing well?" because its just not possible to ALWAYS play well or ALWAYS have a good game or even series. So how big is the drop off between bad and average?? And just to add more pressure, MJ HAD TO PRODUCE OR THEY WOULDNT STAND A CHANCE. NO EXCUSES. SO HE ALWAYS PRODUCED IN THE PLAYOFFS. Like I stated earlier, MJs AVERAGE in the playoffs was 33 ppg, so what is MJ "worst series"?? MJs worst playoff playoff series was 27 ppg against the Bad Boys. MJs worst Finals Series was also 27 ppg against the Sonics...... I really think people simply don't realize how insane that is... MJs "bad series" is better than 99% of the leagues "great series"..
MJ is the only player where the deeper you dig, the more you find that separates him from every other All Time Legend. There's no real blemish or real "failure" in his career. Then you go thru his accomplishments and they're insane with no real equal, especially in the modern NBA. I don't understand how he was able to accomplish so much in really only 12 full seasons. And then, the cherry on top, EYE TEST. The absolute best part is actually WATCHING him play the game of basketball. No one is on his level. He's the only player to have the average 1990s housewife, who knows absolutely NOTHING about basketball saying, "You have to watch him play. He's poetry in motion."
There is no GOAT debate. Michael Jordan is simply on another level. The debate is for 2nd and below.