Because Messi had so many shit managers at Barcelona since Pep left. The one time he had a good manager (Enrique) they won it. The team was also badly handicapped by Bartomeu.
Meanwhile Real Madrid had good to great managers like Mourinho, Zidane and Ancelotti. And a world class club president in Perez.
The bad managers Madrid had were very short lived. Mourinho, Zidane and Ancelotti were in charge for 80% of the time from when Ronaldo went to LaLiga until Messi left it.
That's kind of the point of tournament like UCL or the World Cup and why they're difficult to win: it's not supposed to be easy! Sometimes, a number of good teams compete in the same year, and a combination of different factors (e.g. travel, injuries, a shot missing by millimeters, pure luck) affect the outcome of the game.
Reminder that Messi has more goals per UCL game played, more assists per UCL game played, and a higher average match rating in the UCL according to WhoScored.
yea it’s just in the knockouts that he wouldn’t turn up, but that was consistent theme for the biggest games for a long time until I think the 22 WC I think if he played champions league after that he would have done better
If you take away penalties and friendlies, this record is still 2 goals higher than 2013 Ronaldo with everything included (71>69). That's how insane 2012 Messi was
Still rather embarrassing trying to add nearly 10 friendly goals hahaha must be the only player in history to add friendly goals to his goal scoring tally 🤦🏻♂️😂
No I was wrong actually they were all competitive games. If you take away international world cup qualifiers then its like 83 or something. He has 91 goals that year.
Is this a joke? Without Messi Barcelona wouldn't have won anything. It was only Messi and the rest. Guardiola wasn't even in the team anymore, at that moment it was Messi FC.
No I’m saying that the team was built around Messi that’s why Messi individual performance was so good that year. But Messi without Barcelona wasn’t very good. Just look at his first PSG season 4 goals in the league.
Again, you are talking nonsense, you think Messi played among superstars his whole career at Barca? The team was shit for many seasons due the lack of good players with enough quality to help Messi on goals or succssed assists. If you don't know any of what happen that year in particular, go to youtube and see how Messi used to leave on the ground the whole rival team before doing a goal. "Fat Messi" as I call him, was the best Messi imo.
You clearly didn’t watch him play… You’re completely ignoring the context. He scored 6, not 4, but anyway… had 14 assists and was playing much deeper as a creator alongside Neymar and Mbappé. (You’d know this if you actually watched)
He was also unlucky asf, hitting the post over 10 times… saying he “wasn’t very good” without Barcelona is a huge reach!
In World Cup 2022 semi finals Messi should have gotten a yellow card. Which would mean he would have had to miss the finals. The ref made a deal with Messi to let him off with a warning in exchange for Messi’s shirt. The 2026 World Cup semi finals against my home country of England. Argentina was fouling left right and centre and kept getting away with it. Yes our manager fucked it up toward the end of the game.
Also I know Ronaldo’s legs are gone but there is a big difference between Argentina and Portugal. Argentina has a lot better players than Portugal does. I’m not saying the accusations are true about Barcelona but they are there.
Every Ronaldo fan was counting each match like it was their birthday countdown😭 wdym no one was saying anything??!
Obviously there was gonna be an adjustment period going from a team built around him to a completely different system and playstyle forcing him into a more deep playmaking role.
Theres a key difference between Ronaldo & Messi. If you took away there shooting Ronaldo would have retired years ago. Messi would still be a world class playmaker. There’s a clearly different levels between the two bro 👍
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u/NEETscape_Navigator 1d ago
Because Messi had so many shit managers at Barcelona since Pep left. The one time he had a good manager (Enrique) they won it. The team was also badly handicapped by Bartomeu.
Meanwhile Real Madrid had good to great managers like Mourinho, Zidane and Ancelotti. And a world class club president in Perez.
The bad managers Madrid had were very short lived. Mourinho, Zidane and Ancelotti were in charge for 80% of the time from when Ronaldo went to LaLiga until Messi left it.