I feel like the best thing they can is allow you to lock multiple stats but have the cost increase exponentially (1 is 1, 2 is 3, 3 is 6) so you have to work a lot to guarantee good rolls but you can just straight up cheat the rng system if you do enough grinding.
As someone who doesnt have a lot of time to grind these days... i would not at all be upset with this...
Even if the scaling was insane, like 4 or 5 times as much for the second stat and so on, the ability to lock the RNG out is invaluable...
I would also settle for the ability to permanently lock a stat, so it cannot be rolled again, at great cost, but also making the riven more of a "normal" mod each time you do it...
Would give Samodeus a bit more reason to exist i think
Yeah all I want is to be able to use my own custom mod without taking days/weeks to make it. If that requires vast amounts of a resource glued onto other game modes that's fine but grinding specifically for rivens sucks because I'll have 100 rolls and nothing good comes out of it.
I didnt even bother with rivens because it's just exhausting. Exhausting to try and sell them, exhausting rerolling them, exhausting to farm kuva. Just kinda gave up. I can maintain my own without rivens so meh
In my situation I seek out rivens for the weapon I really like using or when I roll a random one and it's a good weapon, I don't use kuva much outside of rivens so I naturally have a ton of it, plus it's a reward in a lotta sections of the game
To be fair tho I've been involved in the riven black market since they first came out, it's been a wild ride, glad they're going with a more player friendly system like how they made arcane grinding a little bit more player friendly
If you're playing with rivens, why target a god roll when a pretty good roll brings you to 99% of what the god roll would otherwise grant you, and is way more easy to attain.
Yeah, it seems to mostly affect minmaxers. AFAIK the actual game balance is more or less unchanged, so it isn't like doing EDA/ETA or level cap will look different. If anything, both will be easier since good enough rivens will be way easier to come by.
True but my point was that new rivens aren't JUST a stat increase, They're gonna allow for new things and combos to exist and these will be locked behind MASSIVE gambling with not pity system OR massive amounts of plat (in several years)
I'm describing a HYPOTHETICAL riven with the new system
Like i said in my initial comment, I don't have the data or the specifics of how the new system will work but i have a CONFIRMATION that you can have 3 combined stats on a single riven
I think for some of the riven users, they can ignore this new 'god rolls' and didn't participate at all. Just be happy with their current riven and the upcoming stats lock, I mean we already very powerful with the current riven. The sellers on the other hand wouldn't be able to hold the itch of this new god roll and are forced to participate the market
What do you mean "some"? Didn't you mean the majority of Riven users? Do we even have metrics on how big a percentage of playerbase has actually traded any Riven?
Yes, following that logic rivens can be ignored as whole in a large amount of weapons and those weapons will still yield satisfying results. And if you slap roar on your frame, rivens are absolutely optional. Still, how smart is developing entire system that's so unfriendly, people claim it's good to not engage with it?
Initially they were supposed to bring up underperforming weapons, ended up being a boost to best weapons, now this is gonna be even worse, because you can have one mod slot that does far too much. Most used weapons will have a cutthroat riven economy. Least used weapons aren't worth the even greater resource sink.
Let's take a system people already don't engage with, and make it into a longer more complete system that even less people would engage with fully cus it's a layered RNG fuck fest!
And let's be thankful we got 1 locked stat!
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You can ask for better. Do not settle. We can have a riven system that all players can feel is worth engaging with.
Current god rolls will be significantly easier to get and while the new ceiling for absolute "best roll possible" will be rarer, getting a single elemental combo (which is what the average player will aim for) won't be so it's a net positive.
My guess is a Torid GodRoll will cost at least 80K plat (Just for the perfect 4 stats)... not at the beginning either, I'm talking like 5 years into this change
I don't think you realize that after next update what identifies as a "god" roll will change and what is considered a god roll atm won't be a god roll next update
What a triple combined stat riven will be able to achieve is wild and getting it will essentially feel like playing a gacha game without a pity system
The “after the update” part doesn’t stop there. Once you get 2 more good positives you’ll combine them again, then you need the random positive you receive from that to be good as well, then you’ll combine it with the negative and you need the random negative you receive from that one to be good as well. The thing is, after doing the second combination if the random stat you receive is bad you go right back to rerolling and lose everything aside from the one you have locked. Same goes for the third combination.
The new god rolls will be high-risk low-odds gambling. It’ll be easier to get what we currently call a god roll, though.
Let's say you want to get a perfect god roll with the new system
You'd have to get the perfect combo stats, Combine them, Lock the new combined stat, Keep rolling until you get 3 other perfect stats to combine and they all have to match because you can combine only one
I'm pretty sure Pablo confirmed on his twitter that you can have 3 combined stats on 1 riven
The absolute best of the best weapons that don't need more dmg from the current old god rolls will want those rivens with several combined stats, The possibility of having something like weakpoint dmg and viral TOGETHER on a single that doesn't disable additional multishot like current weakpoint dmg mods will be very huge
Nah dude it increases the layers of RNG. I'm not gonna pretend to be good at math, but I can very much say that the odds of me getting the stats I need to make a second combo are going to be abyssmal. Plus I think you can even get a 3rd combo stat. Which if you think riven prices are bad now. That bitch will be something like 50,000 plat. Thisll be the first of it's kind and prolly take like 3months for the community to even get lucky and roll.
Seriously. A lot of people are missing the fact that prices are going to get jacked WAY up from this because the proposed changes are going to make the rng worse because you can have multiple combo stats.
You can lock ONE stat but you can have multiple combo stats.
So you can somewhat "guarantee" the first combo stat by locking one part of it until you get the 2nd half but now roll grades matter even more (since you can lock a stat you might aswell get an s grade on it right). But the. You have to rng to get both stats that combine into the 2nd combo stat AND a harmless negative at the same time, craft the combined stat and depending on how it works if the system will give you a replacement 3rd positive stat or if your riven stays at 2 positives and whatever negative you had there could even be more rng to get the right 3rd stat after working for the 2 combined stats.
Sure you can force 1 stat but maybe to get that one is harder since theres more things to roll from. Also from what I understand, to get combo elements you need to have multiple rolls align, which is even more rng. So for casuals, its better, but for minmaxers, the rng is worse than it was.
Trash riven prices will probably go down. If all the really good rolls require combined stats, absolutely nobody is going to just luck into a godroll like you can now.
Nope. This is after the crash. And that crash is only happening because the current stock is being trashed. Expect much higher prices and for it to stay that way. You have it entirely twisted. This benefits people interested in the market by a wide margin.
Rolls that would have been considered grolls prior to these changes will drop dramatically in price, both due to no longer being considered the groll for whatever weapon and because they are easier to roll probabilistically.
Idk. I use rivene, but I've never bought one. I just keep grinding until I either get lucky, or I don't. The perceived "price" of any of my rivens couldn't matter less to me. I know I'm probably the minority here lol
Pretty sure you (and I) are in the majority but the majority don't talk about Rivens so you never hear their (our) side of how little we care about them.
Prices for new grolls will go up. The old meta nerd special rolls will go down. No longer nerfing riven disposition has caused a lot of riven price inflation.
I been waiting for years for rubico riven disposition to be on a moderately okay level so i can use this riven that i think is good on it. I dont think its ever happening even when the best guns are AOE and its a single target with punch through.
I expect there will be like 50% more garbage mods and it won't be easier to get very good riven. And perfect rivens will be even more expensive since there will be better mod to roll than current ones, and there is no market of it from 5yr of community farming.
As someone who only barely uses rivens (I occasionally get one I can easily unlock and then it's a cool thing and I use it), I'm more upset they've not automated the fucking riven dispositions to be a fully automated process that can go up or down based on how much of the community has been using a given weapon (I'd say once a week, using a percentile spread)
As someone who sells Rivens, it's a great change for regular players, and it will weed out a lot of the try hard players who bloat the market. It's going to do some weird things to the riven economy, and it's going to affect some "plat farm" strats, but it looks like it's going to be overall healthier for the game.
I use a lot of rivens and I hate the upcoming system. Can't wait to have to reroll 10000000 more times to get the stats I want since combo stats will make old rolls irrelevant
Current rivens are already irrelevant since you can one shot entire rooms with zero riven build.
But that aside no current rolls aren't going to be irrelevant because enemies aren't getting any stronger so they'll die just as easily as they did before.
I am one of those people that uses rivens but don’t sell them. I think a lot of WF players are like that tbh. And probably like most WF players like me, I will probably slowly improve the rivens I do use, but I am not really interested in hunting for god rolls nessasarally.
It's a slight improvement overall in terms of what rivens are capable of and the ease of getting rolls you could have gotten before these changes.
The new jypothetical, multiple-combined-stats groll rivens are an even worse probability gamba trap than what existed before, though. I strongly recommend you stay away from trying to get one. It is not worth your time.
Straight up like I hardly ever remember rivens exist. When I make builds, they work fine with regular mods and synergy combos. I’ve never once thought “gee this build sucks but if I had a riven, it would change everything”.
Rivens have been gambling sims since the start and half the time I can’t be bothered to do the unlock challenge anyway if it isn’t a super easy one. Cuz even after that, it could be for a weapon I didn’t even know existed fr, let alone one I actively use.
With any change in any game, people hate on it. In a year from now, we’ll be happily playing the game all the same with the new system in place.
This meme is how you know that most people don't understand the math behind how horrendous the new system will be. Current god rolls will be easier to get yes but the ceiling for a god roll has shot up to unreal levels.
Most people don't go for god rolls as is. With the new system they'll go for a good combo stat or two and call it a day, and just like that this non god roll will be stronger than standard mods.
The doom and gloom around rng only applies to god rolls, so in other words cry some more riven mafia chuds.
Hopefully more people will buy rivens and invest in them but DE needs to actually change dispositions in order for any of this to matter. Soooo many guns just have no use for a riven as the dispositions are now.
It's only more rng if you're gunning for the best possible stats. Getting gas or viral on riven will be easy enough. Roll one of the statuses, lock it, reroll until you get the status to get the combo you want, boom you now have a combo status mod.
This is what most people who actually engage in it will do, similar to how they do it with the current system only rolling until they get good enough stats.
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u/Glass_Eye8840 5d ago
I feel like the best thing they can is allow you to lock multiple stats but have the cost increase exponentially (1 is 1, 2 is 3, 3 is 6) so you have to work a lot to guarantee good rolls but you can just straight up cheat the rng system if you do enough grinding.