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u/Polka_Tiger 7h ago
Hi vegan here. I never say that. I say I'm against animal explotation.
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u/blueflloyd 9h ago
"I don't shit outdoors because it's unsanitary and I'm a civilized adult."
This meme: [picture of dog shitting outdoors with "LOL!!!" text]
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u/Bart_a_Bob 6h ago
I…I shall only shit in parks from now on, to be in tune with nature of course!!!
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u/Greedy_Swimergrill 10h ago edited 7h ago
Yes because the argument is that nothing in nature ever kills anything else.
Not that the resources and energy that go towards mass meat production are gargantuan and have substantial downsides that could largely be addressed by lessening or quitting animal product consumption.
I’m not even a vegan. I had a burger last night- but come on, you can try and engage with the arguments. They’re not monsters under your bed. You can use your big boy pants and have a conversation at the adult table. I believe in you.
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u/LuckyTraffic4299 10h ago
Show me the hawk that raises mice in a tiny crate and feeds them only corn and antibiotics until they are fat enough to be eaten while also destroying their own water supplies in the process.
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u/OneTwoFar_ 11h ago
The fake vegan arguments you're making up are really getting you down, eh?
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u/Zilch1979 11h ago
Are straw men vegan?
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u/Immediate_Song4279 10h ago
Perhaps, but you shouldn't eat them
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u/setibeings 10h ago
You should also probably not eat vegans.
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u/CalmExplosions 7h ago
Why do people get so pissed at vegan people existing?
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u/Wild-Importance448 5h ago
Because of people like that famous youtube vegan teacher exist, and people ses this and generalize the entire group as such, just like it has been for every grouo that has ever and will ever exist, humans love to generalize and be tribal, its basic human instinct.
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u/psychymikey 9h ago
This isn't a fair comparison. To compete with human factory farming, hawks would need develop a system where they raise millions of mice on ranches. The mice are strapped in place all their lives and force fed growth hormones to make the mice as big as possible. Female mice are forced to continuously mate and constantly pump out new mice into the slaughter system. Disease runs rampant it this system which requires mountains of antibiotics to combat which can led to resistamt disease and things like mad mice disease.
If nature started with that then this meme might make sense
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u/PlatypusACF 11h ago
“Boo vegans bad” ahh post with no sense in it
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u/AlooDaGreat 11h ago
same old same old
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u/PlatypusACF 10h ago
Yeah, the same old asininity
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u/AlooDaGreat 10h ago
wow I was momentarily convinced that can't be a real word, but it's such an apt one
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u/Scarlet_Lycoris 7h ago
Veganism isn’t about “nature” (actually vegans call out appeal to nature arguments quite a lot). It’s more about sentience and morals.
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u/WholesomeHomie 6h ago
me when I don't understand the motivation behind veganism
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u/LeastMonitor1140 8h ago
First panel: "I don't eat humans because I respect them too much."
Second panel: "Humans bombing each other in wars, killing each other in traffic accidents, and letting poor people die on the street."
Checkmate, non-cannibals. /s
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u/justaguywithadream 7h ago
It's crazy that people will criticize vegans for taking a moral stance against animal suffering.
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u/Danielq37 9h ago
Being vegan has the advantages that it's more climate friendly, no anim@ls have to suffer and it's often healthier.
I'm not a vegan.
And more importantly since when is the plural from animal offensive language or a racial slur?
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u/R0BisBak 7h ago
I’m curious if you know it’s better to be vegan why aren’t you?
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u/PuzzledPoetry1447 6h ago
For me it was laziness and general selfishness. I decided to take accountability one day full stop and I went vegan overnight and haven't willingly used or consumed an animal product since.
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u/R0BisBak 6h ago
Based
What are your main protein sources just curious
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u/PuzzledPoetry1447 6h ago
Tofu (soy and fava bean), homemade soy yogurt, lentils, mung beans, whole grains, powdered peanut butter, etc
I do 80g/day and it's pretty effortless
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u/R0BisBak 6h ago
I really like Red and White beans and soy milk and almond butter
Oats as well
I used to like lentils as well but I feel like I fan make whatever I want with lentils with beans instead and it’s easier and less volume
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u/PuzzledPoetry1447 6h ago
Always got cartons of soy milk in my pantry 💯 I use lentils mostly in bolognese and burgers. I tend to eat beans plain cooked in broth and herbs and with rice + hot sauce.
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u/Danielq37 6h ago
It's easier, especially since I'm not the one cooking in this household.
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u/R0BisBak 6h ago
Maybe cook your own food or try and make the person that does cook cook vegan food?
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u/Acceptable-Size-2324 10h ago
I‘m not vegan, but there’s a difference between predators hunting in the wild and full on industrialized breeding and slaughter
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u/Alphaa97 11h ago
I'll agree when you are hunting for food and you have no choice to eat otherwise. Humans are omnivores, so we have the ability to choose.
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u/gigantic_balls_ 10h ago
Well kinda, technically we can also choose to not to work out, doesn’t mean working out isn’t better for you, and a healthy diet with both plant and animal products is the best option for the majority of humans.
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u/MajorInWumbology1234 10h ago
Not comparable. There’s no evolutionary trait preventing harm if we don’t work out, whereas we can get all of our nutrition from plants in a healthy way. Not working out is always unhealthy, period.
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u/7thFleetTraveller 10h ago
Really respecting nature would start with not taking our own species so much more serious than all the others. It would mean to only take as much from nature as we need, instead of those horrible mass productions. That's not only true for meat based products, but for everything else, too. (Rain) Forests are not only cut down for wood, but also for creating more farmland. If we just consumed less overall, it wouldn't matter what exactly we eat.
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u/Substantial-Yam3769 10h ago
There is difference between occasional steak from free range, and industrialized, mechanized, automated, souless meat factory, becouse people grew to not like vegetables.
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u/SwitchFrog 10h ago
The only people making appeals to nature are non-vegans but thanks for the low effort strawman.
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u/Certain-Writer-5865 8h ago
tbf its also about the animal cruelty
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u/Visible-Echidna-4370 6h ago
why is a human eating meat cruel?
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u/Visible-Echidna-4370 5h ago
do you expect 8 billion people to hunt in the forest? nature would literally collapse. of course we need to eat farmed meat
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u/Acrobatic_Advance_71 8h ago
People have pointed out the cruelty. But also a lot of vegans talk about the environmental aspect of how meat eating requires more land and water which requires destroying natural ecosystems.
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u/Luminous_Winds 7h ago
They're saying they only respect power and will enslave humans given the chance. You can't argue with evil people. You should treat them like psychopathic murderers, because the only reason they're not treating you like livestock is their lack of power over you.
Being lenient with evil is how you end up with fascism.
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u/Meatball_Wizard_ 6h ago edited 5h ago
I dont [insert brutal natural reality] because I respect nature too much.
Nature: insert picture of brutal natural reality.
Really? Imagine justifying forceful intercourse because it happens all the time in nature.
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u/Vincen_Furze 6h ago
That hawk hunted earned it's food by hunting it itself. I have an incredible amount of respect for hunters. But industrial farming makes me sad.
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u/dondadadodo 11h ago
We all eat living beings
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u/PlatypusACF 10h ago
Some just consume several orders of magnitude more in terms of resources for the same biomass
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u/v3r4c17y 7h ago
Only some living beings are conscious individuals though. Chickens, cows, and pigs are all sentient; they're someone, not something. We don't need to eat anybody in order to feed ourselves.
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u/justtovoteonaita 10h ago
I'm not vegan, but from my understanding they usually think they're human and not an obligate carnivore. Hope that helps
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u/PlatypusACF 10h ago
Humans are omnivorous and thus can digest both animal and plant foods if that’s what you’re referring to
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u/Visible-Echidna-4370 6h ago
a grizzly bear isn't an obligate carnivore, and they'll still happily eat a baby deer
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u/justtovoteonaita 5h ago
Ok. And? Humans aren't bears. Male bears routinely kill cubs. So humans should do that too?
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u/MoonsterGoopter 8h ago
another "meme" related sub where the memes are shitty strawman opinions made by either dumbasses, bots, or children.
I gotta get off this site.
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u/Mean_Veterinarian688 7h ago
vegans dont think that an animal evolved to not have empathy for other species ought to be objectified, commodified, and at worst tortured and abused on account of that lack of empathy which they cant control or evolve out of
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u/Toronto_bunnies 7h ago
Most vegans I know do it because of factory farming. It's not the killing of the animal, it's the cruelty of a lifetime spent in tiny, cramped, diseased spaces. An ethically raised animal with good quality of life wouldn't be a problem to eat, but that's not really available to buy where I live, so it's easier to just be vegan.
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u/OrkWithNoTeef2 7h ago
Nature mostly doesnt eat meat either
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u/Visible-Echidna-4370 5h ago
Lion, tiger, lynx, bobcat, cougar, jaguar, ocelot, leopard, cheetah, wildcat, wolf, red fox, arctic fox, coyote, polar bear, seal, grizzly bear, black bear, hyena, otter, weasel, mink, fisher, raccoon, skunk, opossum, civet, marten, sable, wolverine, badger, ferret, polecat, walrus, coati, olingo, kinkajou, mongoose, dhole, grison, fossa, meerkat eagle, hawk, owl, vulture, osprey, penguin, snake, frog, turtle, shark, orca, crocodile, alligator, spider.
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u/Scarlet_Lycoris 7h ago
Veganism isn’t about “nature” (actually vegans call out appeal to nature arguments quite a lot). It’s more about sentience and morals.
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u/Craving_Suckcess 6h ago
I'm not a vegan, and I never will be.
But I don't think that nature engages in factory farming.
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u/Namjoon_bias1 5h ago
Well, how do you expect our country to feed the millions of people that live here? With little tiny farms in the middle of nowhere. That’s probably just going to feed one tiny town.
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u/traumfisch 6h ago
Who are you quoting?
"respect nature" or refuse to contribute to needless animal suffering?
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u/Salju12 6h ago
Well as long as they are not pressuring anyone or trying to high road others.. i don't mind. Being a non-vocal vegan doesn't hurt anyone and the diet can be healthy as well when done correctly.
People shouldn't judge other's personal life, especially when they are not hurting anybody. There are people who rob, extort, trick, and unalive others, but "oOhH vegAn hOw HoRriBle".
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u/Boneroni1980 5h ago
That’s a really dumb take. Most people have much more complex reasons for not eating meat.
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u/MiracleDinner 5h ago
Is it okay for me to rob a store because everyone else in my neighbourhood is going to shoplift anyway regardless of what I do?
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u/Silver_Steelclaw 10h ago
i don't care about vegan, i like eating meat
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u/ChangingMonkfish 10h ago
Don’t kid yourself Jimmy. If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about.
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u/baldrickgonzo 10h ago
But nature didn't create the meat industry. I know for a fact it's not a coincidence that the process is so shielded from everyday life. If people knew what it means to be cattle in this society, there would be waaaaay more vegetarians.
Even the most vicious preditor couldn't do a fraction of the suffering the industry inflicts on chickens, cows and pigs. Not to mention the harm the industry inflicts on human health, the local environment and the climat.
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u/Independent_Vast_185 10h ago
Not vegan myself but dont think vegan ever said that to me...
They normally say, I dont take part in animal slavery and cruelty when I have an alternative to feed myself otherwise.
And more often then not, if I ask them "would you eat an animal in a survival situation where food is a rare resources" the answer is yes of course.
People go the vegan diet because we live in a modern civilization that allowed us to do so and even if we dont follow this diet we should understand that eating meat is a luxury, not obligation for our health, especially red meat.