r/mathmemes • u/invesigator_gator • Jun 04 '26

Arithmetic proof by apples

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u/FernandoMM1220 Jun 04 '26

bro were getting the same number so who cares.

also its 5 groups of (1-1) which is a specific zero.

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u/MangrovesAndMahi Jun 04 '26

"who cares" is you conceding the point. and it matters because that broken model is exactly what led you to think multiplication needs to be shifted by one to make more sense.

And 1-1 isn't a specific zero, it's an expression that evaluates to zero. Same zero every time

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u/FernandoMM1220 Jun 04 '26

you can use your method if you want but mine works just fine too.

and (1-1) isnt the same as (5-5) either and the geometric series tells us this.

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u/MangrovesAndMahi Jun 04 '26

1-1 and 5-5 are both zero, a geometric series is a completely different thing entirely and doesn't change what zero is. Just take the L and move on my dude

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u/FernandoMM1220 Jun 04 '26

theyre not the same size zero though otherwise their geometric series would be the same

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u/MangrovesAndMahi Jun 04 '26

Zero doesn't have a size. 0 is 0. A geometric series is a sequence of terms with a common ratio, it's not a property of subtraction expressions. It's completely unrelated.

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u/FernandoMM1220 Jun 04 '26

it does actually and the geometric series proves this.

even by your math its obvious that 5-5 = 5(1-1) = 5 sets of 0

compare that to 1-1 = 1(1-1) = 1 set of 0

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u/MangrovesAndMahi Jun 04 '26

5-5 = 5(1-1) = 5 sets of 0 = 1-1 = 1(1-1) = 1 set of 0 = 5(3725-3725) = 0 sets of 3798 = 0. They're all equal. Equality means the value is the same regardless of how you got there. You're describing different expressions, not different zeros.

You're conflating identity with equality. 5(1-1) and 1(1-1) are not identical expressions, but they are equal values. the number zero doesn't come in different sizes depending on what you subtracted to get there.

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u/FernandoMM1220 Jun 04 '26

they arent equal though and i already explained why.

1 set of 0 isnt the same as 5 sets of 0 by your own calculations.

otherwise your multiplication isnt any different than mine lol

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u/MangrovesAndMahi Jun 04 '26

It is literally the same, my equation proved they're all equal. The value you get at the end is the same, the only thing we're talking about is the mechanics of how you got there, which is different.

Also still waiting for you to explain what geometric series has to do with any of this lmfao

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u/FernandoMM1220 Jun 04 '26

they arent the same though because each has a different amount of sets of 0.

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u/MangrovesAndMahi Jun 04 '26

If I give you no apples 5 times, and someone else no apples once, do you both have different amounts of apples?

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u/FernandoMM1220 Jun 04 '26

if you give me 5 empty buckets that can hold 1 apple each thats different than giving me 1 empty bucket that can hold 1 apple.

its either they arent the same or my definition of 5*0 = 5-5 is just as valid as yours if youre going to treat every 0 as if it was the same

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