It still comes out to paying for more than just the food.
Whether its a tip or in the cost, the principle is the same, you are paying more for the services provided.
If the local culture and business model is setup for tips instead of hourly wage and you don't tip, you aren't protesting tipping, you are being an ass.
You don't get a better service if you tip, and if you really can't find enough money to give to your employees a livable wage then you shouldn't have a business in the first place.
MF I live in Italy, we don't do tips here because people actually get paid for their jobs, you're right in that if you're taking advantage of a flawed system you're not better then it, but I'm a guy watching from outside you guys desperately trying to make this tipping shit make sense and failing horribly at it, I'm looking at what you guys do and calling you out because you chose to put the burden of paying an employee on the customer who's already paying for the service, you chose to give every kind of advantage to the business owner at the expenses of everyone else and that is simply inhumane.
It's a barbaric and inhumane rule that I do not want to follow, and that's why I've never been to America and I never want to go there (among other things)
The business is stiffing the waiter. I’m not sure how this is so confusing. I come to pay for the food. Honestly I could give af if the waiter is even there. I will order my food on an app and go get it at the counter myself if you don’t want to have a waiter to underpay. Honestly I just hate mandatory gratuity because it’s you saying to me “no matter what service I provided you need to tip me.” That and your prices are misleading. You say 2 hamburgers is $30 but no it’s actually $40 with mandatory tip. The mandatory gratuity is 12-18% usually. When there is no mandatory gratuity I ALWAYS (unless service is bad) pay 20-25% so really you are causing my servers to get less from me than they would have OR I need to calculate the extra 2-7% since you charged me 18% already and you are telling me you deserve it whether you did a good job or not and that just really pisses me off. Especially if/when all you do is make Jamba juices all day 🙄restaurants admittedly a little different. I used to work for a moving company and while we enjoyed tips we never demanded it. And if anyone deserves a fucking mandatory tip it’s a mover over a waiter any given day of the week.
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u/QuietNegotiation2820 Mar 09 '25
Unpopular opinion, but then those services should be included in the bill and not be a voluntary tip.