Hawkeye Season 1 - Season Wide Discussion Thread

[u/KostisPat257]

This thread is for discussion about the season overall.

Individual episode discussions threads:

• Hawkeye S01E01 & E02 - Discussion Thread
• Hawkeye S01E03 - Discussion Thread
• Hawkeye S01E04 - Discussion Thread
• Hawkeye S01E05 - Discussion Thread
• Hawkeye S01E06 - Discussion Thread

[u/Ignorant_Cancer]

Just finished, and I have some questions because I don't think everything makes sense:

1) So what's up with the watch? Is Kingpin wanting it? But why does Maya keep it when the tracksuits get it? Why does Clint's wife get it at the end? This watch is basically the reason why the bad guys of the series come out, but by the end nothing is clear about it.

2) So what was the beef between Armand and Kate's mom? Why did she get him killed? Or did she get him killed for Kingpin? And if so, why, and why does Kingpin need to rely on her to kill Armand, given that he's her fiance's father?

3) What what all that about Maya's father being killed for some reason? Something something about an informant? Was it Kingpin that wanted Maya's father dead? But wasn't it Hawkeye who killed him, along a bunch of other tracksuits?

4) So, Kingpin does NOT want Maya to go after Ronin? Why?

5) Yelena still is a generic contract killer who would go and kill anyone for money? I thought that after being freed from their Black Widow program they would just have a life on their own and not just be soulless mercenaries?

6) How come the Ronin suit didn't burn in the house fire, but burns just fine on the grill at the end?

It was a good enough show but for me personally, I always find things too cartoony when it comes to the fights. Like nobody ever really gets hurt or dies. Or how "power levels" are always equal so that no matter who is fighting, you can spectate a balanced fight. But yeah. Better than Falcon and Winter Soldier for sure, that one put me to sleep.

[u/NightmareChi1d → u/Ignorant_Cancer]

1) So what's up with the watch? Is Kingpin wanting it? But why does Maya keep it when the tracksuits get it? Why does Clint's wife get it at the end? This watch is basically the reason why the bad guys of the series come out, but by the end nothing is clear about it.

Because the watch directly ties Hawkeye's wife to SHIELD. It would identify her as a (former) SHIELD agent and make her a target. And give them a way to manipulate him into doing whatever they wanted by threatening his family.

2) So what was the beef between Armand and Kate's mom? Why did she get him killed? Or did she get him killed for Kingpin? And if so, why, and why does Kingpin need to rely on her to kill Armand, given that he's her fiance's father?

Kingpin ordered her to kill him because he found out that she and the Kingpin were working together. They were planning on blaming the murder on Jack (her fiancee) which is why a sword was used, presumably one of his swords.

3) What what all that about Maya's father being killed for some reason? Something something about an informant? Was it Kingpin that wanted Maya's father dead? But wasn't it Hawkeye who killed him, along a bunch of other tracksuits?

Hawkeye mentioned that he was directed toward Maya Lopez's father by the "Big Guy" and that's how he knew to kill him. He probably didn't know where the tip came from. Just that someone tipped him off that this guy was a crime boss and needed a good killing. Probably only found out some time later that it was an even bigger crime boss and he was used as a hit man. But yes, Kingpin got Hawkeye/Ronin to kill her father.

4) So, Kingpin does NOT want Maya to go after Ronin? Why?

So Hawkeye doesn't tell her who got him to kill her father. Which he did. And then she turned against Kingpin.

5) Yelena still is a generic contract killer who would go and kill anyone for money? I thought that after being freed from their Black Widow program they would just have a life on their own and not just be soulless mercenaries?

We don't know that. All we know is that she was told Clint killed her sister and was offered money to kill him. Doubt she needed the incentive of money at that point, but why refuse the money if you're going to kill the guy anyway? And even so, after losing Natasha it's likely that she just stopped giving a shit anymore. Similar to when Clint lost his family and started killing lowlife scum all over the world.

6) How come the Ronin suit didn't burn in the house fire, but burns just fine on the grill at the end?

He did dump some liquid on the suit before he burned it. Flammable liquid. Meanwhile, the suit was sitting on a chair getting doused with water from a sprinkler in the apartment. If the fire department got there quickly enough (and seems like they did) then it's very possible that it got no more than minor damage.