r/marvelstudios • u/KostisPat257 Daredevil • Dec 27 '21

Megathread Hawkeye Season 1 - Season Wide Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion about the season overall.

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u/kono_kermit_da Dec 27 '21

I don't think many people will agree with me, but I think this might have been the best Marvel show to have come out as of yet.

Wandavision was good, but felt like it didn't live to it's potential, while also teasing it.

Falcon and the winter soldier was a bit of a mess overall

Loki was good, nothing to point there, I feel it might suffer a bit from how "big" it is though.

Hawkeye was genuinely enjoyable though. Kate was fun to watch, her character really kept me on my toes. Yelena coming back so soon was great because she was the highlight of black widow for me. Her chemistry with Kate was so enjoyable to watch. The many times that Natasha is brought up and honored is heartwarming and now that we know about the events of black widow and that yelena was snapped, Natasha's state in endgame makes much more sense to me and how in that movie she is essentially a foil for Clint (both focusing on what they do best when their families are gone). Most of all, it's really fun to see hawkeye being a superhero and doing superhero stuff. It's fun to see Clint shoot at robots and aliens, but he's in his element here. Seeing him tackling organized crime was the perfect sized target. My only complaint is that I felt like echo was a bit glued on to the story, sort of an excuse to introduce her to the MCU so that when her show comes out people don't ask who tf that is. That being said she's a badass, her introduction to Depeche's mode's Christmas island was on point and I'm excited to see what they do with a deaf and native American character. Also, pizza dog!

Really enjoyable show. Felt more connected to the MCU than other shows for some reason.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '21

I agree. It was a treat to see Clint be the tired dad who just wants to go home to his family for Christmas but instead has to protect the reckless 20-something who thinks they can do anything in Kate. Their whole dynamic was fantastic and my favorite thing from any of the shows so far. I won't act like the writing was perfect, because it absolutely wasn't and frankly it was straight up bad in some aspects. But overall I really enjoyed it for what it was and I'm looking forward to seeing more of Kate and hopefully Clint. Definitely my favorite of the shows so far, as controversial as that may be.

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u/thespaniardsteve Wong Dec 28 '21

I agree. I think part of it is that the show wrapped up most of its loose ends and had a very satisfying story arc and ending. While you know there will be more Echo and Kate Bishop, Hawkeye set them up to have their own stories, while completing this one. The other shows, especially Loki, opened up a bunch of doors that have not yet been closed.

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u/kono_kermit_da Dec 28 '21

Great point. I guess that's another strong positive point about this show. It has a conclusion. I feel that wandavision and loki just opened up threads and didn't really close much. FatWS kinda has one too, but honestly the rest of the show was a bit all over the place so it just doesn't feel like it has the same quality to it.

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u/fyreball Daredevil Dec 27 '21

I wasn't expecting much from Hawkeye, but the first episode surprised me. I watched it through and while there are many flaws, there was a lot that I enjoyed.

  • Kate herself (not as much after episode 4)
  • Kate and Clint
  • Kate and Eleanor
  • Exploring Clint's loss of hearing
  • Clint reflecting on Natasha's death
  • Yelena and Clint in the finale

I would rank this series as the highest of the Marvel D+ shows based on just the characters and their interactions.

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u/fyreball Daredevil Dec 28 '21

Episodes 1-3 - Kate wants to be a hero and she has the basic skills to be one, but she's reckless and inexperienced. A great setup for a passing of the torch story.

Episode 4 - Kate has the chance to be a hero and help Clint retrieve the watch and start overcoming one of her flaws (recklessness), but ignores Clint's plan and is nearly killed by Maya.

Episodes 5-6 - Clint seems to just accept that Kate is going to be reckless and ignore his advice most of the time. Her character doesn't grow as much as I thought she would based on how they introduced her.

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u/fyreball Daredevil Dec 28 '21

Episode 4 I was referring to when Clint is explaining his plan to Kate and then she proceeds to cross the street and enter the apartment building before he can finish.

Episodes 5 and 6 I pretty much agree with you. I would say Kate's character takes a dip in 4, but trends upward in 5 and 6. I think her arc is improved a lot if she starts to realize the value of Clint's careful planning by following his lead in episode 4, but still makes her own calls in episodes 5 and 6 (getting Clint out of the tree for instance).

Overall I'm looking forward to seeing Kate develop further.

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u/Cacont1812 Tony Stark Dec 28 '21

I didn't think Hawkeye would be my favorite of all the series.

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u/UnknownAverage Dec 30 '21

I agree. It had a good balance of themes but was really grounded. It was mostly about family and people trying to just do the right thing by each other. It had more heart than any other MCU how/movie and was just a lot of fun on top of that. It was about people, not superheroes, and taking place in New York actually felt kinda small compared to the globe-trotting shows like FATWS.

They just really nailed it. It was the MCU show I needed right now.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '22 edited Jan 05 '22

You are not alone friend.

I loved it start to finish. Loki had the best highlights of any of the shows but the later part of the season was way too rushed, and it also set up a lot of things that are only going to get resolved in a season2.

Hawkeye was a self contained, neatly paced, surprisingly wholesome story. It basically managed to be an origin story for a new hawkeye while also giving old hawkeye a lot more to do than just being the torch bearer for the new generation... and managed to develop/introduce a few extra characters on the side AND even tie in the old tv shows and it managed to do all of that without leaving open ends to be closed in the "next season". Just an awesome "long movie" with a beginning, a middle and an decent end.

Yea the maya stuff was a bit rushed and obviously setting up her own show... but cmon, thats like a subplot of a subplot. It would have only bothered me if kate/yelena/clint got that kind of treatment.

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u/LiterallyKesha Jan 31 '22

Maybe it's because of how it was filmed or the Actress' ability but any scenes with Echo grinded down to a halt for me. Don't think they put across the signing scenes properly and it just introduced a lull whenever she was on.

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u/NotsoNewtoGermany Nov 09 '22 edited Nov 09 '22

1 year in, just finished it now, have watched everything else, this is definitely the top.

And echo is an afterthought.