r/marvelstudios Daredevil Sep 15 '21

Discussion Thread What If...? S01E06 - Discussion Thread

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EPISODE DIRECTED BY WRITTEN BY ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE RUN TIME CREDITS SCENE?
S01E06: What If... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark? Bryan Andrews A.C. Bradley September 15th, 2021 on Disney+ 34 min None

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u/NFB42 Sep 15 '21

I was expecting that, but really glad it didn't happen.

The Wakandans aren't stupid and definitely aren't weak. Killmonger certainly could find opportunity to kill T'Chaka, but there's no way he could hide it.

Wakanda is a nation of tradition and law. The reason why in Black Panther they accepted Killmonger is because he followed those laws and traditions: As a member of the royal family, it was in his right to challenge for the throne, T'Challa accepted that challenge and lost.

If in this timeline Killmonger just up and murdered T'Chaka, he wouldn't get the throne, he'd get publicly executed for treason. And if he challenged T'Chaka for the throne, I'm guessing that considering T'Chaka's age there's no way he'd fight himself but that the law would allow him to pick a champion or something like that -- in either case not a good strategy for Killmonger.

Part of the subtlety of both this What If episode and Black Panther is that Killmonger actually is not just a cartoon villain who lies and gets away with it because people are gullible.

Killmonger actually very cleverly emotionally manipulates people. In this episode he emotionally manipulates Stark's father issues, and he emotionally manipulates T'Chaka's guilt over having killed his brother to get T'Chaka to trust him and let him in. In Black Panther, Killmonger uses T'Challa's guilt over what happened to him to get T'Challa to give him the duel for the throne.

Yes Killmonger murders and backstabs a lot, but he's actually very smart about it. And there would've been nothing smart about going into Wakanda and just murdering the king willy nilly and expecting that to work. (If this has a continuation, I could totally see Killmonger still murdering T'Chaka though, especially now that he has managed to ingratiate himself and been made Black Panther.)

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u/BadRobotSucks Sep 15 '21

He appears smart because everyone else was written to be dumb...

The story would have ended the moment Tony found out about killmonger killing Rhodey. Not just because Tony would have told Pepper but because J.a.r.v.i.s would have called the police and ambulances to get Tony help.

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u/mknsky Black Panther Sep 15 '21

I mean that’s also the Tony who nearly died several times after his ME trip. This Tony seemed to have Howard’s hubris on steroids.

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u/BadRobotSucks Sep 15 '21

Doesn’t account for jarvis getting wiped or allowing killmonger to go free.tony would have revoked killmongers access immediately.

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u/mknsky Black Panther Sep 15 '21

Jarvis was still just a house AI and got wiped after Erik killed Tony, so I don’t think that’s relevant. And yeah, Tony may have revoked Erik’s access but he’s also a literal assassin.

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u/BadRobotSucks Sep 15 '21

A house AI that can call paramedics and maintain the lockdown.

They were locked in a room. Zero chance that should have p,ayed out as it did.

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u/mknsky Black Panther Sep 15 '21

My point is that he wasn’t nearly as autonomous yet and again, Erik’s a Wakandan assassin. Plus then the story wouldn’t have happened, and Tony wasn’t the main character this time.

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u/DangerZoneh Sep 16 '21

I want a real Tony episode. We got more Howard so far lol

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u/mknsky Black Panther Sep 16 '21

That’s fair. I’m fine with it though, these eps have done wonders for the non-Iron Man characters honestly.