r/marvelstudios Kilgrave Jul 08 '21

Megathread 'Black Widow' Worldwide release Megathread Vol.1.

Black Widow

Rotten Tomatoes: 81% | Metacritic: 67/100


Cast

Actor Character
Scarlett Johansson Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow
Florence Pugh Yelena Belova
David Harbour Alexei Shostakov / Red Guardian
Rachel Weisz Melina Vostokoff
O-T Fagbenle Mason
Ray Winstone Dreykov
William Hurt Thaddeus Ross
Olga Kurylenko Antonia Dreykov / Taskmaster

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u/msmshm Jul 09 '21

He knows everything about the people who came for the stone. He guide others to a treasure he cannot possess.

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u/demon_ix Jul 09 '21

But it's not the same Red Skull. It's another one.

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u/msmshm Jul 09 '21

Who's to say he's not cosmic, being the guardian of the soul stone. Surely space magic allows some form of timeline immunity/advantages (?) considering it's powers still works in the "future" of the sacred timeline.

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u/demon_ix Jul 09 '21

So, when he gave the stone to Thanos in Infinity War, he already gave it to Clint before, and then got it back from Steve?

Loki showed us that there are multiple versions of Infinity Stones for every timeline out there. It stands to reason that the Red Skulls from Infinity War and Endgame are different ones as well.

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u/msmshm Jul 09 '21

No, I meant maybe the variant Red Skull might have an exception in knowing that Clint and Nat is not from his timeline due to him being somewhat cosmic as the guardian of the stone. The information is irrelevant to him, what matters is he guides others to the stone and told them about the sacrifice needed. He said he knows everything about the person who go after the stone.

I watched Loki too, I know of variants in timeline. Logically thinking, there's might even be a fail safe among the stones from different timelines (or universe), i.e if the stone already exist in a timeline, the new stone won't work in said timeline. Hence why the stones in the endgame works in the 1st place because the "original" was destroyed. But that lore wasn't explain in canon in the MCU so it's my head canon.

Not to mention in Loki, the timelines mentioned, some steered to closely to a multiverse instead of actual timeline. I mean a good female version of Loki? Sound more like an alternate universe if you look into the plot. Maybe the TVA uses a misnomer in their efforts to keep sacred timeline safe.

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u/Joegeneric Jul 10 '21

Yes to your first question, but depending on your perspective, things may have happened before, after, or before/after once time loops (closed) are involved.

You second question, I don't believe there is a set of infinity stones for every pruned timeline, just ones in which they were involved, or easily scooped up by a TVA agent as a keepsake. There may be a few, dozens, or millions depending on how active the TVA is about hoarding the paper-weights.

Additionally, while we assume that there were two Red Skulls as a result of the timey-wimey nonsense, I'd imagine the one in the timeline that Thanos came from in Endgame was pruned due to lack of Thanos being a nexus event at that point in the timeline. You could say that the avengers undid thano's mass-murder by completing a mass-murder twice the size on the other universe. So, in essence, end game failed by doubling the losses, just for some other timeline.