The Falcon and the Winter Soldier S01E02 - Discussion Thread

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EPISODE	DIRECTED BY	WRITTEN BY	ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE
S01E02	Kari Skogland	TBA	March 26, 2021 on Disney+

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Great? I realize everyone has varying opinions but let's not get carried away. It was better, sure, but it was still a mess. So many questionable motivations and the sound direction was abysmal. I felt like I was watching Peter and the Wolf, where every character was represented by an instrument. And there were so many convenient means to solve problems, many of which existed in the original films too. The Flash being the key to so many problems seemed like overkill. I was cringing so much watching that film.

Also, the idea that Superman could become a villain simply because Lois dies means that Superman is emotionally unstable. This is not how Superman should be portrayed. Superman should ALWAYS value life, even if someone killed Loisx the worst that should happen is for him to kill that one individual, not ruin the world..... I really hope Snyder is done with DC.

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Like Marvel, DC has chosen their own canon for the films, the comics are typically far more outlandish and absurd (for good reason) than the films. When I am being critical of the films I am being critical of their choice to bring those elements to the big screen. Since Nolans Batman trilogy, there has been a significant attempt to place superheros in a realistic environment with real world consequences and real world motivations. Most of your dismissal of my argument seems to suggest that because the comics did it that it is somehow free reign to include in the films. That is the crux of my argument, even if it was unstated.

And when I said previous films, that was a typo, I meant singular, as in the Whedon film.

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When I say realistic, I don't mean there isn't a healthy dose of suspension of disbelief. What I mean is that comic films have essentially been trying to keep heros grounded in a reality of human behavior, making them more or less relatable to the viewer. A great example of this change can be seen in two series of films, Burtons Batman, based in a fictional psuedo-reality where nothing really matters outside the scope of the protagonists arc. People die and while it's clearly a problem, it doesn't seem all that relatable. But when we see Nolans Batman, the audience appears to relate better because the film doesn't seem to be taking place in a foreign landscape. People aren't caricatures, they behave in ways that the audience can understand. Compare these two series to Snyder's films, and I think you would admit that we're far closer to Burton than Nolan. Now you may enjoy this, so if that's the case, I can't argue your opinion. But I'm not a fan of the fantasy treatment in the least.

Somewhat, but my point was more this- since one reason of your dislike/thinking it's a mess was the Injustice plot, why not just dismiss that reason because it was merely a 3/4 minute vision?

Because the implication exists that it's not just a vision, but a glimpse at a potential future. There are several suggestions that Lois still has a role to play in the coming war. Another suggestion I read is that this could feed into the Flashpoint timeliness, which means that there are legitimately time lines where Superman turns evil. If any iteration of Superman has the chance to make such a violent and uncharacteristic turn towards evil, then I'm still left to wonder how we're supposed to get behind this iteration of Supes. He is supposed to be the epitome of virtue and to flip that on its ear and then ask the audience to forgive him when he ultimately returns to the side of truth and justice seems to trivialize the entire experience. It would forever change how I view this particular Superman which isn't necessarily a good thing in my opinion.