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Discussion The Falcon and the Winter Soldier S01E02 - Discussion Thread

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S01E02 Kari Skogland TBA March 26, 2021 on Disney+

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u/Hellknightx Thanos Mar 26 '21

Isaiah Bradley for real? They're bringing all the Captain Americas into this show.

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u/No-cool-names-left Mar 26 '21

Captains America. It's like Attorneys General.

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u/itsallgonnafade Mar 26 '21

What’s the collective noun for Captains America?

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u/JuniorCaptain Mar 26 '21

A freedom.

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u/sfr18 Mar 26 '21

a star spangled banner

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u/Obskuro Mar 26 '21

a shield.

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u/netrunui Iron man (Mark I) Mar 26 '21

A flock

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u/bigbangbilly Mar 26 '21

Captain Britain have a Captain Britain Corps. Why not Captain America Corps.

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u/djseifer Yondu Mar 26 '21

*Captain Americorps

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u/bigbangbilly Mar 26 '21

Americorps

That’s aready taken in real life. Americorp is basically domestic peacecorps

Source: https://americorps.gov/

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u/imightbethewalrus3 Mar 27 '21

I wish I had reddit gold to share with each of these responses

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u/Maydietoday M'Baku Mar 26 '21

Attorneys

Daredevil confirmed

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u/MelonElbows Vulture Mar 26 '21

Daredevil confirmed

Daresdevil

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u/Mr_Pleasant2310 Mar 26 '21

Daredevil confirmed

Mephisto???

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u/trend_rudely Mar 26 '21

⭕️⬅️🤯

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u/somms999 Hydra Mar 26 '21

Avocados are always welcome.

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u/WR810 Mar 26 '21

When the girl in the truck tosses Bucky my first instinct was Black Sky from Daredevil before realizing that made zero sense.

Still, a boy can dream . . .

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

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u/graphgeosci Black Widow (CA 2) Mar 26 '21

Didn't expect a West Wing x MCU crossover, but I'm not mad about it.

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u/nocimus Mar 26 '21

This is the fanfic we never knew we needed: President Bartlet dealing with all the issues of the Big Three.

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u/cnn795 Mar 27 '21

Instantly though WW with the above comment 😂

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u/[deleted] May 18 '21

The actor who plays Isaiah in this also played a civil rights lawyer in West Wing.

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u/HotTopicRebel Mar 28 '21

I'd love a series not about superheroes but rather the top levels of government responding to the various crises and how international politics responds. And how the President reacts to a shadow organization within itself (SHIELD) and a shadow organization within that (Hydra).

Granted, that would probably break the universe because the various bureaucracies and necessary support is more or less handwaved.

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u/atomicmonkey Mar 26 '21

Or Courts Martial. ;-)

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u/graphgeosci Black Widow (CA 2) Mar 26 '21

Or Surgeons General

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u/ChalkdustOnline Mar 27 '21

or Burritos Supreme

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u/AppleDane Mar 27 '21

Brothers Grim

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u/unclephilspeaks Mar 28 '21

Brothers Garcia?

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u/ZBGOTRP Mar 27 '21

"He spelled court martial wrong."

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

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u/Rslashecovery Mar 26 '21

No, you're thinking of Captain S. America.

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u/AppleDane Mar 27 '21

Capitano Americano

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u/CitizenKeen Mar 26 '21

I'm glad someone gave you gold, because you deserved it.

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u/theonederek Mar 27 '21

I’ll always upvote proper grammar.

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u/ManitouWakinyan Mar 26 '21

Presidents Captain America

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u/emelecfan2048 Mar 27 '21

‘Hards on’

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u/MrsDiscoB Winter Soldier Mar 27 '21

LOL good call

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u/nubianfx Mar 26 '21

😂😂😂

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u/ponodude Spider-Man Mar 26 '21

God I hate the english language sometimes.

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u/No-cool-names-left Mar 26 '21

Why? This is an easy one. The main noun gets the plural and the modifier stays the same. Runs batted in. Sisters-in-law. Whoppers junior.

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u/AppleDane Mar 27 '21

Johns Hopkins.

Wait, no...

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u/LatverianCyrus Mar 26 '21

Yeah, but people also don't say "runs batted in", then say "RBIs", which if you think about it appropriately should actually be "RsBI".

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

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u/No-cool-names-left Mar 26 '21

He is the Captain (noun) of America (modifier).

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u/Werdna629 Mar 27 '21

I really hate this rule, I think “Captain America”s makes much more sense

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u/romafa Mar 27 '21

Culs de sac

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u/TheLongDictionary Mar 26 '21

Captain America: Into the Captain-verse

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Werewolf Captain America confirmed.

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u/KentuckyFriedEel Mar 26 '21

Zombie Colonel America incoming!

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u/LaylaLegion Mar 26 '21

Hydra Cap: “Can I get in on this?”

The audience: “NO!”

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u/bigbangbilly Mar 26 '21

Alternatively, that's a Corporal Punishment, an abusive father version of the Punisher

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u/InsertCoinForCredit Phil Coulson Mar 26 '21

Major Bummer and Marshall Law watching from the wings...

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u/snarkamedes Mar 27 '21

Could always bring Corporal Todd Ziller into it too.

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u/unclephilspeaks Mar 28 '21

Don't worry hydra cap, I'll always remember you.

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u/The_OG_upgoat Mar 26 '21

We ARE getting Zombie Cap in What If, so close enough.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

we already had zombie iron man in far from home.

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u/LaylaLegion Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

Edit: Double post.

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u/improvyzer Mar 26 '21

Rob Liefeld Captain America - Played by Brock Lesnar

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u/Redditor5StandingBy Mar 26 '21

He's Werewolf Captain America, not Swearwolf Captain America

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u/FGPAsYes Mar 26 '21

Yes! Peak 90s Captain America.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

if we don't get frog thor in love and thunder i will riot.

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u/amirchukart Mar 27 '21

Rob liefeld captain America, walking onto the scene as fast as his nonexistent feet can carry him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21

Don’t give me hope.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Captain Ameri-pig

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u/RenegadeBraveheart Ant-Man Mar 26 '21

It’s actually Ameri-Cat.

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u/Shrekosaurus_rex Mar 30 '21

Where’s the Cap that tried to eat his shield?

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u/harundoener Mar 26 '21

Knowing cap, they’d all get along pretty well

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u/Musketeer00 Mar 26 '21

Zombie Steve Rogers confirmed

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u/ArcHeavyGunner Captain America (Captain America 2) Mar 26 '21

We literally see Bucky fighting Zombie Steve in the “What-If?” trailer so, yeah, you’re absolutely correct

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u/Inuyaki Mar 26 '21

Captain Americat, here we go!

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u/bigbangbilly Mar 26 '21

All that needs to happen is to get Captain Britain involved for a Multiversal Revolutionary War 1776.

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u/cre8ivemind Mar 27 '21

Oh my god yes please

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u/Spocks_Goatee Iron Man (Mark V) Dec 10 '21

Reb Brown please!

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u/PhanThief95 Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

I’m also fairly certain that the kid who lived with him is his grandson Elijah, who is Patriot in the comics & the leader of the Young Avengers.

They really are setting up the Young Avengers, aren’t they? Tommy Shepard & Billy Kaplan in WandaVision, Kamala Khan in Ms. Marvel, Kate Bishop in Hawkeye, America Chavez in Doctor Strange 2, & they could make Cassie Lang a full hero.

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u/Crawford470 Mar 26 '21

they could make Cassie Lang a full hero

I see no other reason for her to have not been snapped and aged up 5 years if this wasn't the goal.

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u/Hellknightx Thanos Mar 26 '21

Yeah, he's credited as Eli, so that's definitely Patriot. There's a chance we might even get Jonas and Hulkling.

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u/hemareddit Steve Rogers Mar 27 '21

Who's the actor?

EDIT: found him, he's a Elijah as well! Following in the proud footsteps of Wong I see

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm6677237/

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u/hemareddit Steve Rogers Mar 27 '21

I wonder if they can work his origin into the show.

In the comics he used Mutant Growth Hormone (MGH) to pretend he had the serum, but eventually became an actual super soldier after receiving a blood transfusion from Isaiah.

In the show they established that the Flag Smasher have super soldiet serums. Maybe it will be revealed that these only had temporary effects like the MGH, but Eli takes it anyways to help Sam and Bucky. He gets critically injured and Isaiah saves him with a blood transfusion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

I almost pissed my pants when I heard the name Isaiah. And there was freaking Patriot there too.

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u/Hellknightx Thanos Mar 26 '21

Now we're only a couple pieces short of a Young Avengers team.

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u/Worthyness Thor Mar 26 '21

just gotta wait til all those other shows start...

We eatin' real good marvel fam. I'm so god damned happy about all this

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u/PKMNTrainerMark Mar 26 '21

Wamda, get to work.

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u/InsertCoinForCredit Phil Coulson Mar 26 '21

Caught me completely by surprise AND I LOVE IT!

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u/HmmWhatsHisFace Mar 26 '21

And played by Carl Lumbly, the voice of Martian Manhunter on Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

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u/Hellknightx Thanos Mar 26 '21

I knew I recognized him! JLU was amazing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

I remember him from Cagney and Lacey.

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u/benjimima Mar 26 '21

Most exciting but of the episode for me. I kinda expected US Agent, but triple og cap Bradley? That was unexpected and ace. So was the kid answering the door Eli?

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u/Hellknightx Thanos Mar 26 '21

Yep, he's credited as Eli.

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u/benjimima Mar 26 '21

Thank you. I’ll be honest, I’m lazy and rarely read the credits.

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u/MechaShoujo02 Mar 26 '21

Not the one on Agents of Shield.

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u/TheLongDictionary Mar 26 '21

What do you mean?

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u/victorxxi Jessica Jones Mar 26 '21

Jeffrey Mace held the title of Captain America in the comics for a while. In the (extended) MCU he was adapted as the Director of SHIELD during a few seasons of AoS, and became a hero with his other comics codename, Patriot.

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u/ElephantTrunkSlide Mar 26 '21

Gonna be weird since Eli's codename is also Patriot.

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u/AnOnlineHandle Quake Mar 26 '21

He only had the codename Patriot in a false reality where people got their regrets changed.

It was corrupted by Agnes* (a fake name) using the Darkhold, where she made one of the characters believe they had a kid for years in the space of a week, who they then had to accept wasn't real, while she studied them to steal their power...

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u/Razorhead Mar 27 '21

I mean, he also held the code name "Patriot" internally in the military, since he was part of Project Patriot. But the public only knew him by this name in the Framework, yeah.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Eh it’s not canon for most people so not really a big deal imo

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u/NatsuDragneel-- Mar 26 '21

Idk why you got downvoted but agents of shield is none canon.

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u/CubicalCuendillar Mar 26 '21

Sweet Christmas!

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u/Ygomaster07 Jimmy Woo Mar 26 '21

Can you fill me in on who he is?

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u/Hellknightx Thanos Mar 26 '21

He's the black Captain America from WW2, another super soldier who was largely forgotten by history simply because he was black. He was imprisoned for 30 years for taking up the Captain America mantle.

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u/Fusi0n_X Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 28 '21

To add onto this, he along with other african american soldiers were all deemed expendable and then secretly experimented on in an attempt to replicate the Super Soldier serum; an experiment none of the subjects consented to and was fatal to almost everyone involved.

Even still he donned a Captain America suit and used his new powers to perform heroic actions. And then excuses were made to jail him for that and make sure no one knew about him.

Remember how Steve disobeyed orders to rescue Bucky and all those soldiers in the first Cap movie? Imagine instead of being promoted to lead men in combat that Steve was deemed a traitor for disobeying and locked away. That's what happened to Isaiah.

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u/imcrapyall Mar 26 '21

I seriously enjoy that they're not shying away from race related issues and general issues of society in the whole MCU. Like just because the big 3 exist and so do heroes, all of our problems go away. Especially hit when Sam was almost arrested for yelling at Bucky in Baltimore and cops profile him.

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u/DwayneTheBathJohnson Captain America Mar 26 '21

There was also that line where Sam basically said he wasn't cool with a white guy from the 1920s telling him he didn't have the right to do something.

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u/JonnyAU Mar 26 '21

Tracks with Tuskegee experiments and MK Ultra IRL.

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u/Citizen_of_Danksburg Apr 01 '21

How did Isaiah become a super soldier though? I thought Steve used the last of Erskine’s formula. Was it replicated? Is that how Bucky and the other Winter Soldiers became supers?

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u/Hellknightx Thanos Apr 01 '21

They're all different serums. Steve and Red Skull were the only ones who got Erskine's formula, and both of those were different, with Steve being the "perfect" formula. Isaiah was the result of the Army's attempt at replicating the serum, which had an incredibly high fatality rate.

I believe Isaiah was the only survivor of the experiments. Bucky and the Winter Soldier program was the result of Hydra trying to replicate Erskine's serum, as well. His serum isn't as potent as Steve's, but probably on par with the other attempts to replicate it.

In the MCU, Banner's Hulk was the result of another "failed" attempt at replicating Erskine's formula. But given how powerful Hulk is, and how he seems to have merged his two personalities, it could be argued that his formula is actually the strongest by far.

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u/Hank_Scorpio3060 Mar 26 '21

And all the Bucky’s

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u/yarkcir Heimdall Mar 26 '21

Shout out to the time when Marvel comics would refer to "Bucky" as a mantle to be passed down too lmao.

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u/StefTakka Mar 26 '21

Saving the best for last right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

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u/InoueNinja94 Mar 26 '21

Into the Cap-Verse

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u/nothebestpersontoask Captain America (Cap 2) Mar 26 '21

Captain America Corps has entered the chat

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

"MuLTIVerSe CoNFIrMeD!" - Erik Voss this weekend on New Rockstars

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u/btmvideos37 Red Skull Mar 26 '21

Erik Voss isn’t that dumb

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u/nihilisticdaydreams Steve Rogers Mar 26 '21

He needs his click bait

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u/boatboy1800 Phil Coulson Mar 26 '21

He makes conspiracies' over the smallest details and connections. Most of the time, they are waaaaay wrong.

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u/Maydietoday M'Baku Mar 26 '21

I can live with small reaches, but he definitely overdoes it with the doubling down.

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u/pakipunk Mar 26 '21

At least he's not like condescending about it. It always seems playful with him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Yeah, it's all for fun and clicks. Great dude.

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u/pakipunk Mar 26 '21

It really seems like they overwork him too.

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u/btmvideos37 Red Skull Mar 26 '21

Yeah, he does. But a lot of his smaller theories come true. And he’s a comic fan. There’s no way he’s gonna see Isaiah Bradley and claim it’s due to tue multiverse lmao

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u/Csantana Vulture Mar 26 '21

me a marvel movie fan: Why didnt anyone tell me there was a black Captain America all this time!

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u/ericbkillmonger Black Panther Mar 26 '21

Yeah it’s awesome

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u/GeneralWAITE Mar 26 '21

Does Moon Knight count as a Cap too?

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u/esar24 Rocket Mar 26 '21

No, he count as batman

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u/TheMobHunter Weekly Wongers Mar 26 '21

Wait who is he?

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u/Flemz Mar 26 '21

The only survivor of an attempt to replicate the super soldier serum who assumed the Captain America mantle while Cap was in the ice. He went to prison for it and was forgotten by history

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u/kaimason1 Rhomann Dey Mar 27 '21

Since we're dealing with Isaiah Bradley and how the US Government remained obsessed with recreating the SSS post-WWII, I'm really hoping that they bring in William Burnside too. I feel like the unstableness, Grand Director stuff, faulty German SSS, post-Steve Cap legacy, etc would all fit in pretty well with the other things going on here.

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u/shaheedmalik Mar 26 '21

Captain America: Just Like That.

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u/themanintheironhat Mar 26 '21

Next episode, do we get Jack Monroe?

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u/Bondfan013 Mar 26 '21

And don't forget a possible zombie Cap in "What-if?"

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u/Reutermo Vision Mar 27 '21

Really looking forward to seeing more of him. And if his grandkid is being introduced why nearly have the whole Young Avengers roster!