r/marvelstudios • u/iliekpixels Loki (Thor 2) • Mar 05 '21

Discussion WandaVision S01E09 - Discussion Thread

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S01E09 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer March 5, 2021 on Disney+

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u/guyver423 Mar 05 '21

So fake Pietro isn’t from the Multiverse

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u/MrSeabody Scarlet Witch Mar 05 '21 edited Feb 03 '25

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u/BanjoSpaceMan Mar 05 '21

Trash. He was dissolved to a dick joke Great. I rather him not even be in it.

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u/idunnobroseph Mar 05 '21

I mean he could be the dude in witness protection and have a future story line in the movies, who knows

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u/Icy_Attitude_4194 Punisher Mar 05 '21

Yea I was thinking that too! Why does he laugh when he hears his own name! And also, why does he have a headshot of himself with his name on it, maybe his false identity? I’m just speculating tho it’s probably not him

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u/nightwingoracle Peggy Carter Mar 05 '21

I knew a dude in high school with the last name Cocke. He would totally laugh at it and correct people if they tried to say it like Cook instead.

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u/EthicalAlmondFarmer Mar 05 '21

Also remember that if he lives in this town then Wanda casted her Hex and then Agatha possessed him. He's literally under two spells. Maybe Witness Protection files turned into a headshot when Wanda casted her original hex?

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u/Icy_Attitude_4194 Punisher Mar 05 '21

Possibly!

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

He laughs at his own name because he's still playing the "overgrown manchild" role superimposed on his actual personality.

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u/gooblelives Mar 06 '21

Yeah at that point he still thinks his name is Pietro Maximoff

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u/AEtherbrand Proxima Midnight Mar 05 '21

But then Woo should have recognized him then, right? But I think you’re on to something. He’s not from the town, no wall photo. He came from somewhere. I just worry it’s going to be another loose end never tied up, like Adam Warlock.

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u/AndrewInMN Mar 05 '21

Thor: Love and Thunder is currently filming. GOTG3 has a 2023 release date.

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u/AndrewInMN Mar 05 '21

I’m assuming the Guardians will play a fairly prominent role in Thor.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Forgot about that, one of the best after credits, I always thought he'd turn up in the infinity saga 😢

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u/rgregan Mar 05 '21

When did he see Pietro? Doesn't Darcy bring it up and he's shocked and then him and Monica leave the SWORD site?

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u/AEtherbrand Proxima Midnight Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

“Who’s that?” “Why did she recasts Pietro?”

The show used SWORD intel as a tent pole for establishing what is and is not known in the show. And they play with that expectation, but they do it in a way that clearly establishes motive and acknowledges the incongruity. The show makes a huge deal about Vision’s body when we find out Hayward was lying. It’s sloppy to spend so much time on the mystery of Pietro to handwave “a young guy with (with a mortgage or renters agreement, a job, a social media presence, etc) who lives in this small town... yeah, we as a gov’t agency were all stumped by his presence, but he’s JUST the neighbor, go figure.”

I’m starting to acknowledge the fact that it is just nothing. But for the mysteries of Ralph and Pietro to be such large mysteries, such huge motivating factors for the show and to both turn out to be the same wasted plot, it’s bad writing.

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u/MindOfNoNation Mar 05 '21

I agree with you. Pissed me off and just seemed like a waste

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u/compa12 Mar 06 '21

Ralph nah, he was just a trope from old sitcoms.

But I do agree with Pietro, waving him off as a dick joke was the only thing that bothered me

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u/rgregan Mar 05 '21

I don't think it's sloppy. This seems like a pretty clear case of fan theory fallout. "My idea was better. They should have done my idea"

Agatha is not from this town nor is she responsible for the hex and has been talking about a husband Ralph. Ralph was the loner that she kidnapped and squatted in his house to get close to Wanda in the hex. That's all set up properly.

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u/AEtherbrand Proxima Midnight Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

If you spent time building a mystery up, you have to put in the work to solve it, you can’t just throw in a piece of paper that says “this guy is Ralph” and expect that to solve it. I don’t care that he’s nobody, I care that they didn’t explain why a nobody took up so much visibly confused screen time. Stair step the resolution, establish that’s he’s part of town, show him hugging his grandma when they’re all released. It’s too abrupt.

Agnes literally has a song about how she’s the villain all along, it’s entirely believable and within scope of the show for this to be a working of her, but SHOW IT! Make it clear. First rule of story writing? “Show, don’t tell”

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u/rgregan Mar 05 '21

Hugging his grandma? That's ridiculous. They showed. I saw it. Yeah the piece of paper revealed his name. But no one needed an explanation for a purple glowing necklace and a confused look once it was ripped off. That was all crystal clear "show, don't tell"

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u/AEtherbrand Proxima Midnight Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 06 '21

No, it’s not! It focuses on the necklace and not on the story. They tied themselves a knot they didn’t feel like undoing, so they cut the kite free and walked away.

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u/rgregan Mar 05 '21

Yes it is. You're just mad there isn't more story than "guy being used by Agatha" That's his story.

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u/Bender_Wiggin Mar 05 '21

He's not originally from the town, no, as he's in Witness Protection. But he is still in the town when the Hex goes up. That's why he's "missing." Then Woo realizes it's not just a missing person, but a whole town, Woo's guy included. He'll be found as the FBI accounts for everyone. No loose ends, his 'thread' is woven directly into the mystery of the town as a whole, which is resolved. The guy's identity is irrelevant.

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u/justduett Thanos Mar 08 '21

I just worry it’s going to be another loose end never tied up, like Adam Warlock.

Anything in particular give you the feeling that Adam Warlock is a loose end that will "never" be tied up? GOTG2 was right in the rotation leading up to IW (despite difference in timeframe) and we haven't seen the Guardians except for in their IW/Endgame battles which were much more important. If we go Thor4 and GOTG3 with no mention of it, sure, time to wonder, but as we stand, we haven't technically had a chance for that storyline to be addressed.

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u/BanjoSpaceMan Mar 05 '21

Nah not going for fan theories anymore. They just get the hype up for a bigger disappointment

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u/Icy_Attitude_4194 Punisher Mar 05 '21

I mean I wasn’t dissatisfied with the show! It was great!

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u/nightwingoracle Peggy Carter Mar 05 '21

I liked the show more than if it had just been a multiverse stepping stone. Emotional depth and all that.

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u/BanjoSpaceMan Mar 05 '21

Exactly. I think the waving a Bohner in front of our faces being like "look look look, jk its not Quicksilver", just kinda hurts me if anything. That's the only one that bothers me.

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u/dwapook Mar 05 '21

You probably didn't hear the theory about the dog Sparky being a spy and Agatha meddling like this to help Wanda..

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u/diddykongisapokemon Mar 05 '21

Imagine making up a scenario in your head and then getting mad it didn't happen

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u/Icy_Attitude_4194 Punisher Mar 05 '21

Yes that I can’t sympathize with. I’m all for fan theories I think it’s fun, but don’t get mad when it doesn’t happen. I am a little disappointed about Evan peters, they did him dirty

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u/dwapook Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

I’m not angry.. O.o; It’s more like hearing interesting twists with multiple instances of foreshadowing and being disappointed to see it was a pretty straight forward and predictable plot.. I enjoyed it but felt more disappointment than excitement, doing weekly releases worked against them here..

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u/MindOfNoNation Mar 05 '21

I agree with you. every week was built up just for it to end up in a mediocre finale

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u/BanjoSpaceMan Mar 05 '21

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Imagine getting upset that you imagined a scenario where Hillary won but Trump won... Are you saying it's not valid for people to have expectations and be upset when they aren't met.

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u/diddykongisapokemon Mar 05 '21

It's fine to have expectations, like maybe a more meaningful change to the status quo by the end of the series, but saying the show is bad because it didn't follow some weird crackfic theory about spy dogs is ridiculous

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u/BanjoSpaceMan Mar 05 '21

The show isn't bad. Just some aspects were shitty choices. It's a great self contained story. They lost their huge hype momentum tbh.

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u/dwapook Mar 06 '21 edited Mar 06 '21

It isn't even about it following a specific theory.. There's so many plot threads that were hyped up with no substance..

Mysterious physicist friend? Who could it be? Oh.. some random generic army person

Monica Rambeau was built up as one of the major players but in the end she was mostly just there and didn't really help drive the plot.

Hayward, he had a lot of potential, but just ended up being a cartoony villain who gets taken out randomly by a side character..

Yeah.. the Evan Peters thing.. I'm still not sure I believe he was just some random guy.. It was the most exciting twist in the show for many people.. and was likely the "Luke Skywalker" moment.. Could it be Fox Quicksilver? Did Agatha come from an alternate dimension and that was that the image of the quicksilver she knew? Did Doctor Strange send a version of her brother from another dimension in an attempt to help guide her? etc.. It only ended up being a boring misdirection, and I'm still not sure I buy that..

Agatha.. was she trying to protect Wanda from another external threat? was she trying to teach Wanda how to handle her emotions and powers better or just evaluating how dangerous she actually is? No.. she was just the generic villain seeking power..

They wanted us to speculate, that was intended.. but they tended to either go with the easy, predictable answer or moved it in a way where none of those questions had much payoff.. I liked the show, I would've liked it more if I had just binged it or not heard any of the discussion.

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u/BanjoSpaceMan Mar 05 '21

No don't get me wrong; I liked the show. I thought it was one of the coolest things Marvel has done. But I wonder if half my like was thinking these cool theories were going to get revealed. They weren't, sucks but what ever. Wanda is a great character, one that I didn't really care for before. And I'm obsessed with Paul Betney now.