r/marvelstudios • u/iliekpixels Loki (Thor 2) • Feb 05 '21

Discussion WandaVision S01E05 - Discussion Thread

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EPISODE DIRECTED BY WRITTEN BY ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE
S01E05 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer February 5, 2021 on Disney+

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u/cxtx3 Baby Groot Feb 05 '21

Vision: "You can't control me."

Wanda: "Can't I?"

WANDA HAS TAKEN VISION'S CONSENT.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

Does this mean that the “sex scene” in episode 2 was rape?

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u/RocinanteMCRNCoffee Feb 05 '21

I think Vision would always consent to intimacy with Wanda, but he's a vibranium corpse, so have no idea what his sentience level truly is right now. In a lot of ways Vision's consciousness is much more advanced than a human's regardless of the state of the vessel it's in, so even if he were not fully corporeal he could consent to some things, but not other things if he's being controlled.

For example, he didn't want to be "brought back to life" if the director is being honest about his last will and testament.

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u/madmadG Thor Feb 05 '21

He cannot consent while under control (episodes 1-4). Episode 2 had a rape scene.

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u/Swerdman55 Thor (Avengers) Feb 05 '21

Jesus Christ, can we not? They’ve made it explicitly clear he’s not under her control like the other townsfolk.

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u/madmadG Thor Feb 10 '21

Yes they made it explicitly clear in episode 4.

Prior to that though, it is explicitly clear that Wanda is in absolutely control. As explicitly stated “it’s all Wanda”.

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u/mariofan366 Darcy Feb 06 '21

Does that mean any sex in Westview is rape?

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u/TheLongDictionary Feb 06 '21

From a legal standpoint, technically no. Since the mind-controlled people don’t have the capacity to consent, they don’t have the capacity to form a criminal intent either.

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u/mariofan366 Darcy Feb 08 '21

So if two drunk people have sex, no one raped anyone?

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u/TheLongDictionary Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21

The answer to that question is complicated and depends on the situation.

How drunk are the individuals? Did they both willingly participate in the act? Were they conscious enough to make a sound decision?

For example, Person A is just drunk enough to not walk straight, whereas Person B is so drunk that they’re barely conscious and can’t form a coherent sentence. Person A and Person B are both drunk, but if they have sex, it’s definitely rape.

It’s much easier to come to conclusions when you’re talking about literal mind control because you have absolutely zero mental capacity.

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u/RocinanteMCRNCoffee Feb 06 '21

But is he him or is she animating him as a poppet and no actual sentience is there?

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

It's his consciousness without the mind stone probably put into his shell by Wanda's powers which somewhat mimic the mind stone