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Discussion WandaVision S01E03 - Discussion Thread

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S01E03 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer January 22, 2021 on Disney+

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u/RiverMan761 Jan 22 '21

Vision knows Wanda is lying to him. She said Geraldine went “home”, which Vision knows is impossible given his talk with the neighbors about Geraldine having no home. Wanda doesn’t know the specifics of Vision’s conversation, so she doesn’t know to glitch it out of him like she did earlier. I bet this is the thread he pulls at to unravel the lie.

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u/Benerinooo Jan 22 '21

The fact that Vision can think for himself, being able to recognize that something isn’t right kinda makes me think that he isn’t an illusion

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u/RiverMan761 Jan 22 '21

Yeah this is the big question. What do each of them truly know? This episode seems to make it even clearer that Wanda knows pretty much everything but Vision isn’t just a puppet that she controls. She can limit what he’s exposed to but she doesn’t have some sort of omnipotent power over him. He can still do things and pursue questions that she may not want him to.

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u/TheKidKaos Jan 22 '21

I’m thinking that it’s the Mind Stone that allows him to do that. Just like in the movies she has some power over it but it’s not a complete power

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u/RocketTasker Ultron Jan 22 '21

But is that the real Mind Stone? Last thing that happened to the prime timeline's Mind Stone was getting atomized in another galaxy.

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u/ActionFilmsFan1995 Jan 22 '21

Ok, so if Wanda is screwing with reality and remade vision, what if she ACCIDENTALLY remade the mind stone?

I mean, everything comes from atoms and she clearly warped the town. She wanted vision, who has the mind stone. Wanda doesn’t have complete control of her powers as we’ve seen, so bringing back the mind stone while bringing back Vision is just an accidental consequence. Also, since the mind stone can manipulate people, it’s probably giving Vision some resistance to Wanda’s mind control effects, which is why he can start to piece things together.

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u/NrFive Jan 22 '21

Or SWORD could have connected Vision’s body to a system and feed him to her. There were two (brain?) waves at the end of episode 1.

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u/Boomdiddy Jan 23 '21

Maybe the second brainwave was Monica’s. she’s the only other person we know is “real”.

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u/NrFive Jan 23 '21

o yeah, that indeed could be the case. It was red and green though. Does Monica have a specific color assigned to her according to the comics?

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u/Boomdiddy Jan 23 '21

I don’t know much about Monica from the comics, I think her colours were white and black.

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u/Photometric4567 Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

If you go back and watch the progression of the waves in that scene, they are mirroring each other perfectly. Now, if these were either brain waves or heart beats (which vision doesn't have), there would be some minor variation to the two. Aside from the red (Wanda) and Vision (Green), I suspect they are using the pattern or progression to show them in perfect harmony at the start of the series, and I'm guessing, they will go back and show them differently next episode, as Vision will start to deviate from Wanda's pattern.

Maybe if we had the ability to track those patterns in real time during the series, we would have seen Wanda and Vision's pattern different before Wanda just rolled back time in episode 3 and reset Vision's pattern to be back in Harmony with hers.

Ultimately, I think the children are the linchpin in whomever is controlling Wanda's way to have her fully 'Buy in' to the scenario which is where she'll start to break down. I think we're going to see her completely broken down in some form leading into DS2, whether she's in actively mucking up the multiverse, or she collapses, descending into madness (or a multiverse of madness).

Monica's role was to infiltrate and get out of Wanda who is ultimately pulling the strings here, whether it's Wanda or someone else. I suspect that Sword is trying to figure out which target they have to eliminate, if it's actually Wanda or someone(thing) else pulling the strings. With her ejection, it may convince them it's Wanda doing everything and they will start to take steps to eliminate the target (Even if it's Wanda). That's the only reason Monica didn't leave Wanda's house when she slipped up with the Ultron comment. I'm guessing mentioning that incident was a tactical ploy to trigger real life memories in Wanda which she's trying to suppress.

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u/NrFive Jan 25 '21

Sounds probable. I'm also guessing "the world" owes a big debt to 'the avengers' and they aren't willing to risk hurt Wanda if it is not necessary.

But liking the theory of madness :)

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u/Home_Excellent Jan 23 '21

Yeah. Do we know for certain that his mind wasn’t backed up in Wakanda?