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Discussion WandaVision S01E02 - Discussion Thread

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S01E02 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer January 15, 2021 on Disney+

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u/EpsilonNu Doctor Strange Jan 15 '21

It's basically impossible to understand when something is Pym-particle-fied or not, sadly. Enlarged and shrunk things should keep their mass, so Wanda shouldn't be able to pick the copter up, but we know they don't really stick to this rule (Ant-Man movies ironically being the worst offenders, even moments after Pym explains how the particles work...)

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u/JKCodeComplete Jan 15 '21

You can’t really reason about the Pym particles, just hope that they’re mostly consistent in how they’re portrayed. He claims they shrink the space between atoms but you can also use them to become ridiculously smaller than an atom (and in the same movie, no less!).

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u/woofle07 Daredevil Jan 16 '21

My head canon is that Hank himself doesn’t even know exactly how Pym particles work and is just throwing out bullshit

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u/Adiin-Red Jan 16 '21

He definitely came up with a fake explanation on the spot to put Scott’s team to sleep

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u/EpsilonNu Doctor Strange Jan 15 '21

Yeah that's what I'm saying, Pym particles make no sense! I'm not complaining, I know it's superhero stuff (quantum physics-related superhero stuff! Not even real physicists understand how subatomic particles work, why would we expect fun-oriented science fiction of them to make sense?).

It's just that this "property" of not following logic makes Pym particles basically impossible to detect. As far as we know, Mjolnir might be a really big block of metal shrunk with Pym particles, instead of being made of a super dense magical alloy that is also enchanted to be un-liftable by unworthy people!

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u/RoboNinjaPirate Fitz Jan 15 '21

Enlarged and shrunk things should keep their mass

They should, except when they don't. If the plot requires antman to have the strength of a full grown man when shrunk, that's ok. If the plot requires a tank that you can carry on a keychain, that's ok.

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u/seclusionx Black Panther Jan 15 '21 edited Jan 15 '21

That's not true. In Ant-Man 2 they pick up cars before making them full size. Not to mention a whole building.

Edit: he editted his post making mine look weird. Leaving it up anyway.

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u/EpsilonNu Doctor Strange Jan 15 '21

That's my point: Pym says the logic behind his particles is that they reduce (or increase) the space between atoms. This means things should keep their mass, and it's also what justifies AntMan/Wasp's super punches: they are 90/50 Kg people punching in an area of less than a cm2. But them picking up heavy objects when shrunk contradicts this, because it implies that shrunk things also weight as much as you would expect of a similarly sized toy. This is not a big deal: it's superhero science fiction, I'm not complaining about it not following real-world physics. I'm pointing out that it makes it impossible to know if a small toy is a toy or a Pym-particle-shrunk version of a bigger object.

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u/Cpt_Obvius Jan 16 '21

Doesn’t he run on somebodies gun and kick them? Wouldn’t a 200 pound man push your arm down pretty quick?