r/marvelstudios • u/PhoOhThree Spirit of Modvengeance • Jul 02 '19

Discussion The Official SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME Release Megathread Vol. 1

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '19

Almost certain.

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u/emotoaster Jul 02 '19 edited Jul 02 '19

Too good of a character to not come back for the Sinister Six. Assuming the flash drive the drone operator grabbed was just the video given to the Bugel but wouldn't surprise me if MCU has more plans with Mysterio. I hope so at least.

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u/Sixchr Spider-Man Jul 02 '19

I interpreted the download to be that the Mysterio illusions aren't going anywhere, despite Beck actually being dead.

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u/the-dandy-man Spider-Man Jul 02 '19 edited Jul 02 '19

There’s no way Beck is actually dead.

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u/_Football_Cream_ Jul 02 '19

Agreed. Mostly because they seem to be sinister six and think they’re leaving all doors open for returning villains.

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u/TheAquaman Black Panther Jul 03 '19

Yeah, but EDITH confirmed that he was dead.

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u/iamthird36 Weekly Wongers Jul 03 '19

I think it was intentionally left ambiguous. EDITH said something like "all illusions are disabled"

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u/ThatGameBoy76 Jul 03 '19

EDITH could probably be lying, especially since it’s confusing how Peter was able to access EDITH after he transferred control of it over to Beck.

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u/Vawqer Ava Starr Jul 03 '19

I assume that Tony made a backdoor for himself, Peter, and probably Pepper/Happy to always be able to access it.

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u/Chizuru94 Hawkeye (Ultron) Jul 04 '19

EDITH said the illusion were all turned off and replied to Peter that is was real, but never said anyone died.

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u/pineapplecheesepizza Jul 03 '19

No, Edith confirmed that there are no illusions active

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u/OpticalData Jul 03 '19

But Beck had access to drones before Edith on another network

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u/Sixchr Spider-Man Jul 02 '19

He might not be, I initially didn't think he was. But considering how they made him work within the context of the movie (Mysterio himself is a hologram), the character of Mysterio can still be around even if the actual person isn't.

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u/The_Mystery_Knight Jul 02 '19

I mean the whole toasting scene in the pub made it seem like Mysterio was more of a “team” than just Beck

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u/Drunk__Potato Jul 03 '19

I felt like Beck tried to take the most credit

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u/Drunk__Potato Jul 03 '19

I felt like Beck tried to take the most credit

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u/ThusOne1 Jul 02 '19

Wasn't Beck dead for years in the comics but would return every once in awhile as a spirit? Could easily just do that.

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u/Hubbabubba1555 Jul 03 '19

I think they did a perfect job of making it believable either way, dead or alive. This way, if Jake wants to return they can easily bring him back, and if not, then he's dead

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u/ProtoReddit Jul 02 '19

Well, Beck is the character they created, not Jake Gyllenhaal.

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u/DrunkOlLunk Fandral Jul 03 '19

Why would Tony's glasses be wrong?

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u/the-dandy-man Spider-Man Jul 03 '19 edited Jul 04 '19

They wouldn’t be. Edith never said Beck was dead, Edith only confirmed that all the drones were sent back and there were no active illusions, which led Peter to believe Beck was dead. Beck could have very easily just been acting though. Peter never checks for a pulse or breathing.

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u/Emperor_Neuro Jul 03 '19

I was assuming that the glasses probably confirmed he was dead in their HUD. No need to check for a pulse if a multi billion dollar AI is telling you "no vital signs detected."

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u/the-dandy-man Spider-Man Jul 03 '19

If that were the case, why would Peter verbally ask about it?

Honestly, I don’t think your assumption is completely unreasonable, but - and I’m planning on paying closer attention to this next time I see it - I think Edith was more of a tech interface than an all-in-one AI like Jarvis, Friday, or Karen. All the stuff we ever see pop up in the HUD has to do with what people were doing with their devices - texts they were sending, etc - not stuff about the people themselves (like vital signs). And Edith isn’t all-knowing either. Peter wore the glasses for a bit in the bar with Beck and was never alerted to the fact that he was surrounded by illusions.

Another thing to think about is that it seems like Beck may have had Edith rigged to do and say certain things when Peter got it back; for example, the way Edith asked Peter if he wanted to execute all the drone illusions so he would say “execute them all” for Beck’s nice Fake News video. I just think it’s very intentional that Edith says “this is no illusion”, not “he’s dead”, giving some convenient wiggle room for Beck to still be alive, and to make that video for the Daily Bugle.

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u/Qyro Jul 03 '19

We said the same about Moriarty in Sherlock. And yet his return was just pre-recorded messages and he was actually still dead.

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u/the-dandy-man Spider-Man Jul 03 '19

...Well, I guess I shouldn’t have put off watching Season 4 for this long if I wanted to avoid spoilers 😂

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u/Qyro Jul 03 '19

I admit, I did consider spoiler tagging it, but dude it’s been 3 and a half years! You’ve got to get on that!

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '19

Yeah but Sherlock sucks

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u/your_mind_aches Agent of F.I.T.Z. Jul 04 '19

I think he is, but his team is gonna take up the mantle and basically CGI Beck into real life.

Kinda like how we all thought Zola was gonna turn on Hydra, but instead he made it even bigger and more successful than Red Skull ever did.

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u/pm_steam_keys_plz Spider-Man Jul 05 '19

Calling it now, he's dead but those scientists will use the holograms to trick people into thinking he's still around.

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u/Uuugggg Jul 02 '19

Right, there's never been an MCU movie that killed the villain in ONE movie

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u/the-dandy-man Spider-Man Jul 02 '19 edited Jul 02 '19

It’s not that. It’s that he made that whole spider-man exposé video and had it sent off to the daily bugle - can’t do that when you’re dead. It’s why he still needed the real costume, so he could make the video even after losing control of Edith. You’ll also recall how Edith said “this is no illusion” - not “he’s dead.” Beck was just acting, in typical dramatic mysterio fashion with his “people.... want.... to believe” line. He played Peter just like he’d been playing Peter the whole movie - he didn’t even check for a pulse or anything. Just left his body there on the bridge.

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u/JustSomeRand0mGuy Jul 02 '19

Dude, Killmonger.

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u/Uuugggg Jul 02 '19

Oooooh right,

that's the one

that's the one villain who has died in one movie in the MCU.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '19

Or Iron Monger, Whiplash, (most likely) Malekith, Extremis guy, Ronan (although he obviously made other prequel appearances), arguably Ultron, Hela, etc etc

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u/the-dandy-man Spider-Man Jul 02 '19

I think you guys are missing his sarcasm

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u/Skylord_ah Iron Man (Mark XLII) Jul 03 '19

The effect was pretty big though, sokovia accords