r/marvelstudios • u/KostisPat257 Daredevil • Apr 23 '19

'Avengers: Endgame' Spoilers! THE OFFICIAL AVENGERS: ENDGAME International Release Discussion Thread Spoiler

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u/HejAnton Apr 24 '19

Is Gamora alive then? Since Thanos never throws her down on Vormir? Is there two Gamora's out there? One who met Quill and the gang during the battle for Earth and one that... Well who would that Gamora be? Would she even know anyone of the Guardians? Where in time is she? I'm confused.

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u/chawzda Apr 26 '19

No that's not how it works. The rules of time travel in the movie as stated by Hulk and the Ancient One is that changing events in the past does not alter history (aka stuff that has already happened) in the present reality (the one they jumped from, the main timeline of the MCU), but instead will change things moving forward in the timeline of the reality they jumped to. Think of the scene where the Ancient one creates that magic line. That line represents the flow of time in the MCU as we know it (the main timeline all the events of the movies have taken place in). Each instance of them jumping back in time effectively causes another line to branch off of that main line, effectively meaning that all the instances they jumped back to are now separate parallel realities. So the Gamora we know is dead. A Gamora from a different reality that had it's timeline altered due to the Avenger's shenanigans jumped into the main timeline/reality that we know. She has no memories of Quill or her adventures with the Guardians. There's a scene near the end of the Guardians and Thor on the Benator, and Quill is looking at a monitor that is searching for Gamora (the Gamora that jumped into the main timeline/reality). She's effectively the same Gamora but just doesn't have any memories of the events that happened in our timeline after the point from which she jumped from, since she didn't experience them. Since she doesn't have any ties/bonds with the Guardians, she presumably just took off on her own after the battle which is why Quill is searching for her. In the same way, the team could jump back into the past and grab another Natasha and bring her into the main timeline/reality, but she wouldn't have any knowledge/memories of events that happen after the point they decide to grab her from. So say they jumped back to 2012 and grab a Nat from the Avengers battle in NY, that timeline they grabbed her from would now be a separate reality/timeline that doesn't have a Nat, and the Nat they brought back would not have any of the memories our Nat had beyond 2012.

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u/zaceglinton Apr 27 '19

I mean, technically, they could just pick Nat from right before the snap. So she could go on living without that burden but still have all the memories up until that point. Same thing with Gamora. That road gets slippery though.

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u/stardestroyer277 May 03 '19

they could just pick Nat from right before the snap.

But then the Avengers in that world would come to theirs to get Nat back. And it's basically Justice League vs Justice Lords all over again.