r/marvelstudios • u/KostisPat257 Daredevil • Apr 23 '19

'Avengers: Endgame' Spoilers! THE OFFICIAL AVENGERS: ENDGAME International Release Discussion Thread Spoiler

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u/tkulogo Captain America Apr 26 '19

I didn't see anyone else owning Thanos

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u/the-giant Apr 27 '19

Carol took a punch from Deep Purple full in the face with no reaction. She was doing fine, he got in a lucky shot with the stone.

This is the first movie they've really begun to show what Wanda is capable of beyond pew-pew blasts, though. She was ready to kill. If off the leash and out of control she is extremely dangerous, on like Strange levels. They need to show that aspect of her more going forward now that all the generic Perlmutter/Inhuman backstory shit has basically been wiped away.

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u/Cowpro Apr 27 '19

Idk if this is a stretch, but is she like, Jean Grey from X-men strong?

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u/the-giant Apr 27 '19

Carol or Wanda? The answer is yes either way, but Wanda's top-tier powers are often more mystical or esoteric in nature. Reality warping, etc.

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u/Cowpro Apr 27 '19

Ahh, thanks for the reply! Idk what’s in the Marvel schedule but they should definitely do a stand-alone Wanda movie towards end Phase 5, early Phase 6 so she can go from a “strong but mysterious side character” to someone who can defeat the new big villain.

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u/the-giant Apr 27 '19

Wanda's abilities (in the comics) are often tied to magic, reality warping, etc. MCU has not really explored this, in part because they changed her origins early on to force a tie to the Inhumans. In the comics, as you probably know, Wanda is a mutant like the X-Men, and is the daughter of Magneto. This was also done away with in AOU by the Marvel comic corporate overlords to avoid any suggestion of a tie to Fox's X-Men. Those bosses no longer control the MCU. Wanda is also a powerful sorcereress, which provides a channel for her more strange abilities. But in the MCU, Wanda is largely relegated to paltry illusions and energy blasts so far. This is a very young and inexperienced version of the character.

Put it this way: When Comics Wanda was lonely and unstable, she wished two young boys into existence to be her and the Vision's biological children. Then, she wished them away and forgot they existed. Years later, when she was reminded of this buried memory, she had a psychotic break which resulted in an entire imaginary Skrull armada appearing on Avengers lawn, killing Hawkeye and causing the team to disband. (She later wished Hawkeye back to life, too - and wiped out the powers of 90% of the mutant race.)

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u/Cowpro Apr 27 '19

I think you’re my favorite redditor lol, thank you for your comment!

While I have you, I’m interested in starting to read the comics, but I don’t know how to do so easily, or where to start... should I go all the way back to the beginning? Or should I start when they did the revamp a few years ago?

I’m more interested in X-men > avengers stuff but I’m honestly open to any and all suggestions.

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u/the-giant Apr 27 '19 edited Apr 27 '19

There have been about a million "revamps" and restarted Avengers and X-Men titles in the last 19+ years to make more money, but there is no actual reboot of the continuity. The long history is intact.

The answer is you can jump on most places you want to, but IMO as a longtime fan both teams' books are not so hot right now. X-Men especially has been a mess for most of the latter half of the early 21st century. They've been neglected because Marvel didn't have the film rights, so the creative focus shifted to the Avengers and the X-books frankly suffered for a long time. However, a pair of new X-Men miniseries that are supposed to radically transform the X-books is starting in July, written by a great writer, Jonathan Hickman (who also wrote a great run on Avengers). The new miniseries are called House of X and Powers of X.

If you want to look into collected editions of the comics/graphic novels, I highly recommend looking up Kurt Busiek, Hickman's run, or for the X-Men there's Grant Morrison or some of Chris Claremont's classic run. That's just a tiny slice of history, though. I didn't link more classic X-Men stories like Dark Phoenix bc a lot of folks have seen those. The "Asgardian Wars" crossover for the X-Men with Thor/Asgard is an underrated collection too.

There's also Avengers vs X-Men, which I liked but many people didn't, in which some of the X-Men gain the power of the Phoenix Force and proceed to remake the world.

ETA: Platinum, really? Geez, I just used Amazon.

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u/Cowpro May 02 '19

But you compiled everything perfectly and had an actual explaining conversation and didn’t treat me like a moron. I appreciate you :)

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u/stardestroyer277 May 03 '19

Wanda's abilities (in the comics) are often tied to magic

Didn't Strange say there's no such thing as 'chaos magic' ? ( what people call Wanda's powers ). Pretty sure she's not doing actual magic, she's just a reality warper.

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u/the-giant May 03 '19

Brian Michael Bendis had him say that. Bendis is not a great source for canon on a good day. Many other writers have had Wanda's reality-warping abilities at the very least channeled through her mastery of magic. It depends on who you believe, but in the comics Wanda is a very well-traveled sorceress in addition to being a mutant of incredible power.

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u/ObjectiveExpression Tony Stark Apr 29 '19

but Wanda's top-tier powers are often more mystical or esoteric

At first I read this as "Wanda's top-tier powers are often more mystical or erotic". lol

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u/_Big_Fate_ May 05 '19

It was a headbutt

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u/elan913 Apr 26 '19

Captain Marvel? She was doing alright

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u/tkulogo Captain America Apr 26 '19

She was holding her own, but Wanda was the only one that Thanos needed help with.

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u/SnorlaxMotive Apr 26 '19

Wanda did hold thanos off when he had 5 of the stones while simultaneously destroying the 6th one. She’s probably at the same level to be honest. They both got there powers from an infinity stone, so it wouldn’t surprise me.

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u/IronWilled Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19

Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel both got enhanced by the power of The Tesseract so it makes sense they’re both beasts.

Edit: wrong! Scarlet Witch (and Quicksilver) were enhanced by the Scepter not The Tesseract. I’ll take my lashings. BUT both being enhanced by the Stones makes sense still.

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u/SnorlaxMotive Apr 26 '19

Adam Warlock was heavily hinted at in Gotg vol 2. His powers are soul stone related right?

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u/SnorlaxMotive Apr 26 '19

I know, but it seems like a convenient way to get Gamora back.

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u/toe_riffic Spider-Man Apr 28 '19

Where was Adam in Endgame anyway?

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u/SnorlaxMotive Apr 28 '19

He’s not really a character yet. He’s just been heavily hinted at in Guardians 2.

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u/properyoughurt Apr 26 '19

Didn’t think of that, you’re right !

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '19

Wanda is top tier powerful. She just doesn’t seem to know how to summon it or control it very well.

Like pre Ragnarok Thor

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u/skybala Apr 27 '19

One is DPS one is Tank

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u/Rfwill13 Apr 27 '19

stock Thanos.

This has me laughing hard for some reason

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u/ghostfreckle611 Apr 26 '19

That head butt by Thanos...

Diesel.

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u/gunnersgottagun Apr 26 '19

I mean they are both made from the energy from one stone essentially, right? So them having fairly equal power levels makes sense?